If something can't come from nothing, and you assume God exists, where did God come from?

Question

My suspicion is that most people have "gut knowledge" that the universe and everything in it must have a creator. In other words, most people intuitively feel that our very existence means that a God has to exist, and that there is no possible other explanation. I'm attempting to get people to realize (or to simply consider) the idea that "something can't come from nothing" is a paradox that can't be solved by invoking God because by doing so you still haven't explained where God came from. In short, if you can assume that "God is the 'first cause' and is uncreated" , then you should be able to understand that the universe may have always existed in some form and not require a creator.

Answer 1

good kwestchun

Answer 2

Of course, there is a rebutal to your argument. All material things are subject to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, that suggests that all closed systems move from order to disorder, not the other way around. In order to create order locally, we must increase disorder somewhere else to compensate.

If the universe is everything material, then the order that we see must have come from somewhere. Evoking a larger super-universe, or a multiverse, simply removes the problem somewhere else; it does not solve the problem.

Therefore it seems illogical that the universe has always been, since that idea seems to contradict the physics that we now know.

Since God is non-material, and apparently exists outside of time & material space, he is not limited by the laws of physics (which he created anyway).

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"The Problem of Information for the Theory of Evolution:
Has Dawkins really solved it?"
Royal Truman
© 1999 Dr. Royal Truman. All Rights Reserved.

In a recent interview, Richard Dawkins, a fanatical atheist and a leading spokesman for Darwinian evolution, was asked if he could produce an example of a mutation or evolutionary process which led to an increase in information. Although this has been known for some time to be a significant issue, during a recorded interview, Dawkins was unable to offer any such example of a documented increase in information resulting from a mutation.

After some months, Professor Dawkins has offered an essay responding to this question in context with the interview, and it will be examined here. It is pointed out that speculation and selective use of data is no substitute for evidence. Since some statements are based on Thomas Bayes’ notion of information, this is evaluated in Part 2 and shown to be unconvincing. Some ideas are based on Claude Shannon’s work, and Part 3 shows this to be irrelevant to the controversy. The true issue, that of what coded information, such as found in DNA, human speech and the bee dance, is and how it could have arisen by chance, is simply ignored. Part 4 discusses the Werner Gitt theory of information.

After several years, we continue to request from the Darwinist theoreticians: propose a workable model and show convincing evidence for how coded information can arise by chance!...

Answer 3

Ok. Play with the idea that God does exist. If God did exist and was before The creation of what we know today, wouldn't he also be outside of Time? Laws of nature? and anything else that we could possibly imagine? You see, since we can only imagine things according to time, we can not understand something that lives outside of it. You get what I am saying? So if God lived out side of the realm of time there would not even be a forever to compare him to!

When the bible says he is the beginning and the end. It is talking about creation. The beginning and end of time itself.

So in conclusion. God lives outside of time and natural law therefore lives in the infinite realm of... GOD!



Also, if you assume there isn't anything that came from nothing and don't believe in God. Where did we come from? Where did the beginning of the universe come from? If there was always a universe... or matter then there was always time. This ends up contradicting itself somewhere down the line. and who or what created matter? where did it come from?

I think there are far more questions to answer with evolution or anti-God theories than pro-creation!

Sorry I think that you lose!

Answer 4

The part that you are not thinking about is the fact that God doesn't play by the rules of science. Scientifically speaking you are correct, "something can't come from nothing." However, scientifically speaking someone can't just make a blind person see again either. My point is, that God can do things that don't make sense scientifically. He is more powerful than we can imagine. I'm not saying that the Big Bang theory couldn't have happened, I'm just stating God had to be the first one to create anything. Do you honestly think that everything you see today started out by nothing without help from something extraordinarily powerful? Or could you imagine that we all came from gas and that's all? Personally, I can't. That just doesn't make any sense and therefore I have faith that God created the world and it's living creatures.

Answer 5

We don't know where God came from because we do not have the wisdom to comprehend an eternal being. He was, is, and will be forever... We are limited by only comprehending mortal beings.

I have always believed that God created the Big Bang and the Universe. God created an evolving Universe and Earth that changes over millions and billions of years. God was the Being that started it all.

Only God can create something from "nothing" But there is no such thing as "nothing" That vital matter we cannot see, that spiritual energy that fills our bodies with a Soul is the true building block of life. That is God.

God took of Himself (or herself, God has no gender) and created the Universe. We are bits and pieces of God.

As human beings it is impossible for us to go further in our understanding of God. When we die, we will know the meaning of life and look upon the face of our Creator. Our spirits will reunite with the essense of God.

This is Nirvana, Heaven, Moksha.

Think about this; does the fish see the water it swims in? Do humans see the atomic particles in the air that they breathe?

God and science can exist without denying the other.

I'm sorry if I seemed to elude your question, but I have no knowledge of God other than that He is who always was and will be.

Answer 6

God is a spirit that always lived and always will. he didnt come from anywhere and he was never a person.
People who are enlihtened and felt that they have a connection with him are right because everyone has a connection with god, and something never came from nothing, because he was always here,
What is the point of this question, Do you even beleive in God? Nothing must always have a creator,but we do.
"Those people who claim do not have "gut knowledge" they have a "gut heart" and actually respect and beleive in god, you must not beleive in him because the way you are reffering to God id that he is an Item form and he must be oh i dont know some object that never existed to you.God is eternal. Why must something always come from something? Why cant it just be here from the beginning of time? You must excersize your brain and ask yourself
"Hey. Do i beleive in god?"
You know, some people may never know the truth,

But they can always beleive.

Answer 7

God exists outside of our little inconsequential box of reality.
So...Armed with a finite mind,you are attempting to fathom the mysteries of the infinite.
In our world,matter can neither be created nor destroyed..it may only change form and function so to believe that the universe spontaniously sprang into existance, without intelligent design would require even more faith than to believe an ultradimentional being of such limitless power,far above anything that we could possibly imagine,created the heavens and the earth.

Answer 8

There are 2 main ideas floating around out there. Here's my rationalization:
1. A rock, that always existed, the size of a speck of dust, exploded, creating a vast series of statistically impossible coincidences, creating the most simplest forms of life, defied the second law of thermodynamics and evolved into something so complex that it now controls the entire world with nuclear weaponry, and will eventually go back into that same speck of dust to explode again. The rock is god.

2. God - created everything, and was never Himself created. A spiritual, incomprehensible being is God.


You can call it circular reasoning, but believing in a rock being god is much harder for me to believe.

Answer 9

God has always existed, He tells us He will reveal to us that which we should know. He is the creator, do you think that we as man have or should have all knowledge? I'm afraid that is not how we are created. If we did have all knowledge and understanding where would faith come into the picture?we would all see and know who God is and everyone would be saved, there would be no free choice. This is God's plan and you can accept it or reject it, according to His word it is only by the grace of God we can be saved through faith not by how good we think we are. I respect your question.

Answer 10

The universe is a mass formation of matter. Matter in itself is not life. Matter does not have consciousness. Matter does not have intelligence. Matter does not have emotions and intuition.

As you said, the universe together with its elements may have existed from the very beginnning. Chemical elments such as hydrogen and oxygen would have existed as well. But how does hydrogen and oxygen mix to produce water? What is the intelligent force that directs these two compunds to combine and produce one of the most valuable element of the universe? If you place hydrogen and oxygen side by side in a lab, would they automatically combine to form water? No it wouldn't. This proves that matter does not have conscious intelligence. So who directs the various elements in the universe to move and function? There has to be a higher intelligence at work in the background as matter is not intelligent.

God exists and works in mysterious ways even if you do not acknowledge His existence.

Answer 11

In an attempt to think outside of the box, I would humbly submit that we are one result of the universe becoming self aware. While it may be true that a sense of purpose exists in the universe's cosmic evolution culminating in stars, planets, and eventually something as amazing as an eye, doesn't mean the universe was or is sentient in a human sense. Human sentience is an amazing and awesome product of creation. The only thing that saddens me a bit is the lack of imagination that this so-called paragon of creation attributes to the wonder of it all, e.g., some sky fairy with a beard.