What do you think of this spiritual contemplation?

Question

(Note: I asked this question the other day, and got very little response. So, I hoped I could post it again, and see if I get a better response)

My life has been a spiritual journey and, during my walk, I have begun to see a Divine Pattern in the communications of our Life. This pattern, as I have seen it, is based in denial. A denial that is so imbedded into a person that when you try to touch upon it with someone, they will become -extremely- uncomfortable without knowing why; and they might even call you crazy. (However, I have also realized that sometimes you can break others of this denial, and they might love you for it, as if you're some kind of supernatural being.)

Isn't this what Jesus did? Think about it...
And people either wanted to kill him, or worshipped him! I would even go so far as to say that most of us still don't understand what he was trying to tell us. He freed our minds, but we have to do our own part to maintain that and explore it and let it become us.

Now, regarding this Pattern, I would say that words and body language are used in a very bland way in this world. But, what they do, in a metaphorical sense, is "push a button" in our brains that makes us feel a certain way.

That's what communication is! The Divine Pattern of Life is like an enormous keyboard. You push a key, and a corresponding letter appears on the screen, which is another person's mind.

When you begin to see and understand this Divine Pattern in Life, you begin to communicate -consciously- outside of it (as opposed to unconsciously within it).

Your words and actions are not a recipe to create some specific reaction, but they convey exactly what you intend because you send them into the universe with faith that they will. They are real!

To me, Art is Truth conveyed unconventionally. It's not necessarily "safe," but it works as it should!


Does anyone else understand what I am talking about and refering to? Anyone else feel the same?

Reply to Stumpy:: While I'm not really comparing myself to Jesus within this contemplation, I will say that I compare myself to Jesus all the time. I seek to walk The Way.

Reply to mr crankypant:: Are you the All-Knower of Truth?

Reply to 3rd Answerer:: Sorry, no drugs here.

Quite frankly, I was hoping to hear opinions of the contemplation rather than of me. Thanks.

Reply to Gemma:: While quantum physics does come into play with this pattern, I would almost look at it more as Synchronicity. Oh, and since when does science have nothing to do with a deity? I like to deal in possibilities. ;-)

Reply to Nobody:: Another person's comfort level is purely of their own perception, and not of my choosing. I just speak Truth, usually unconventionally, and watch where how the cookie crumbles. Some call me eccentric.

Reply to rezany:: I am glad you get some of it! Keep digging! And, as my belief goes, we are all far reaching extensions and expressions of God... Thus, thru us, denial breaking is done. ;-)

Reply to lightangellion:: You've made some pretty bold claims here, and I will have to say that I disagree with some of them. So where does that leave us? I am going to say I am right. You will say you are right. Why can't we both be right? Or rather, why shouldn't we both be wrong? Think a little deeper.

Reply to 8th answerer:: I'm sorry. I realize that not everyone will understand a word I am saying here. Thanks for trying!

Reply to Sunman:: Good to hear from you Sunman. And thank you for pointing out this clarification issue. I would say the latter; that the denial is the inability to see the Divine Pattern. And, I guess the term "asleep" IS a bit more friendly. ;-)

Reply to Ivan S:: Sorry to lose you. Thanks for trying to understand! =D

Reply to fruitcake:: Another great viewpoint of this pattern. However, I tend to think that, while attitude IS a major key, it's not the whole of the commuication pattern. But, of course, you already knew this. ;-) Thanks for the answer!

Second reply to Nobody:: I can understand where you are coming from. And, as I said in reply to Sunman, the term "asleep" is probably a better (more friendly) term than "denial."

But, I will also say that I even understand the possibility that part of another's comfort level has to do with my, sometimes, unconventional methods of speach. But, I am certainly not asking to be killed or even worshiped. Not in the slightest bit.

I was only making reference to the reactions I have received from many different people.

Kudos for your answer though! Thanks!

Reply to Pinocchio:: Glad to hear from you Pinocchio! You're absolutely right, we humans do nothing more than try and verify our own existance. Gotta love the paradoxical Truth within the art of verifying! (The design/Designing)

Reply to Moonsilk:: Great to hear from you, as well, Moonsilk! However, I am the type of person that doesn't like "labeling" Truth. which is why I am glad you chose to quotify (like the new word I just came up with?) "pagan mysteries." But, that aside, I send my love to ya! And to everyone else! =D

Answer 1

Lost me at the first tote Dude!!!

Answer 2

First of Jesus is God.So he did know what he was talking about and so he was allowed to be worsipped.Second the divine pattern or gods way is love and truth justice peace life gentleness patience ect. also the opposite is the darkness such as death all works of sin.Jesus was worshipped because he was god in the flesh to take our sins.hope and faith are also a wonderful way of gods pattern.All of natural life has a pattern but after a while you see the natural soon bends to unnatural and that is like sin as well.The spirit is this love so when you can feel the love always that means you found it and you must try and keep it and grow it.Jesus is the only way to reach complete spiritual fufillnes being you need redemtion and all that other stuff you see on a heroes tales and novels.Denial is sin and well that comes from lack of faith which brings them to a blind situation.

Answer 3

Sorry, it took so long to read what you said, and interpit what you meant to say, that I've finally gotten around to posting.

You are making assumptions about what you've "Witnessed". You are not the first to understand that man requires/needs to seek comfort from the unknown. He seeks to attach meaning to his life, when he can see none. So, he makes an assumption that there is reason in the design of things, instead of reason in the designing of things.

Darwin attempted to answer from the second point of view, not the first. Faith makes the assumption that we should be asking within the first point of view because His existence was never in doubt and never will be as long as we keep to the first point of view.

Think outside of the religious box. It is very comfortable out here and it makes sense.

Answer 4

I agree. There are deep implications to what you're saying.
What you refer to as denial, I refer to as 'asleep'. Are you saying the Divine Pattern itself is based on denial? Or are you saying denial is the inability to see the Divine Pattern? I'll assume the latter.
You're right about the Christ. He used
psychologically crafty methods of getting people to open their minds. In other words,
he got them to suspend disbelief and to open their mind in wonder. Once their mind was open, he then inserted the appropriate idea or concept,(the seed). He used their language and beliefs, and expanded on them.
He began at their level of understanding and through the creative use of images and words was able to lead them into freer realms of understanding.
He knew that pure knowledge was formless,
yet he also knew the ego relied on 'forms' in the shape of symbols. He knew that all symbols
whether it was words, images, objects or events contained truth, but were not the 'naked' truth. He also knew that telepathy was the 'root' language and he used the knowledge appropriately.

Answer 5

You appear to be saying that you make people uncomfortable. But that can't be right, surely?

It seems to me that only a Christian would see the pattern of life as something negative! If you're making people uncomfortable then that should be telling you something!

I believe that when we are on the correct path, doors open, hearts open, eyes open. Not slam shut in our faces.

Had it occurred to you that people have different levels of understanding, depending on the spiritual 'stage' they are at?

On hearing of the Way, the best of men
Will earnestly explore its length.
The mediocre person learns of it
And takes it up and sets it down.
But vulgar people, when they hear the news,
Will laugh out loud, and if they did not laugh,
It would not be the Way.

Tao Te Ching
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Answer 6

Oh dear.....sigh.


Well then, fist I will deal with science. Having witnessed and been a part of various phenomina a believe that science is slowly finding comunion with the Divine. All things come from it and all return having never been apart.

As for Jesus. Almost all religions need a counter part to their core to clarify the good as appossed to the evil. Yuck...spitting that out of my mouth!

Jesus was living in a highly charged political situation and that was why he was nailed. He was a threat to stability to a comunity, who lets face it, had had more than its share of adversity. I find it absolutely presumptuous to say that people either wanted to kill him or worship him. HUH!Only dogmatic minds think in those terms, and frankly, I have never none the Jewish community to be dogmatic. Israel is on its own here, Palstine...horrible. Not the same conversation.

I believe Jesus was a lot of interesting things and I absolutly love him! He was a feminist and strived to expand his belief in Jehova for non-Jews as a form of inclusivity. Jewdaism at it inseption was evangelical but those days had passed by then.

He was a man. A holy and gifted man. Geee...there you go, someone who respects and loves him, doesn't want to worship any man and doesn't want to kill him!OMG!Shock of shocks.

As for your journey...horay!I'm on one too and it's amazing! Let's celebrate each other and all the other amazing people on their journies too!

As for divine patterns yes, they are infinite.

As for denial...it is smothering. However I gather from your contemplation that you stand in judgment of others as to who is in denial according to your faith. Bad move.

I freed my mind...actually I was born with it that way and have had to fight to maintain it!

Don't assume. You'll make an *** out of U and ME!

Naive bunch you've been working with. Don't mistake the reasons for peoples discomfort. Sometimes it is as simple as worrying how they are going to keep from hurting your feelings not nescessarily a matter of disrupting their beliefs.
Not knowing why may be a way of saying...I really don't want to tell you why. I don't want to be in a state of conflict. NIce, nice, nice.

I honour your journey and pray you will achieve enlightenment.

Peace.

I will return to see if you have anything to say and I will reply.

Take care!

Answer 7

I understand some of what you are saying, very interesting search for truth by the way. Any denial breaking that might be going on, is done by the Lord.

Answer 8

I'm not sure what you mean by "Divine Pattern." If you mean that what we say, feel and think (our intentions) literally create our lives and affect physical matter - which you seem to say at one point - you're right. But that is a scientific fact, and has nothing to do with any deity.

Answer 9

Welcome the true understanding of the "pagan mysteries". This is the connection that the truly faithful have regardless of what deity(s) they have it with. This is the reason why some people are impossible to convert and others so easy. The ones easy to convert have yet to reach this level of understanding and desire to keep seeking to keep it strong.

Answer 10

Seeing a divine pattern is a type of wish. Wishes hold no truth.

Answer 11

I don't understand what you're trying to say, and yes, I think there are MANY others that feel the same way (as I do).