your argument is Jesus could have escaped from the killer as he was all powerful. the purpose of Jesus was that.
if you can understand the last words spoken by Jesus" paid in full".
that means he has paid for the all others sin.
He did not escape from death, that cannot be suicide.
generally, when you face human realities, you feel like not to live, but what else other people are doing, know the human and try to live with them. tired of people and their behavior.
face them being what you are. may you be called bad, tyrant,funny, anything, be what you are and face them. may be because you, somebody else would write in yahoo for suggestion.
cheer up man. everyone born to live and die not born and die.
2007-03-21 05:05:43
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answer #1
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answered by rk 2
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I have real problems with those who condemn those who've committed suicide to damnation. I DO NOT FIND THIS SCRIPTURAL!
1. Suicide results from mental illness, and God is a healer that wants his creation to be whole, not broken. This concept is found throughout scripture and would indicate that God might have some prerogative in these cases.
2. None of the cases of suicide listed in the Bible actually indicate that any negative judgment was rendered on those people. In fact, several of them are painted in sympathetic light. One of the best known is Judas, who is really shown to be in great anguish and despair and is filled with guilt. A stronger case can be made that God gave Sampson the ability to kill himself for the glory of Israel and Israel's God. God approved suicide? This was one, very specific incident, and no one should see themselves in Sampson's shoes.
3. Jesus allowed himself to die that others might live. We don't consider someone who pushes a child away from a bus and sacrifices himself in the process as having committed suicide. On the contrary, we view this as a noble act stemming from love and even hope for the future represented by a child.
4. There may be cases where suicide is damnable, but I am not qualified to judge and neither can I even attempt to fully explain any individual situation, but I can find hope in scripture for just about any situation.
2007-03-21 12:07:59
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answered by goofyguy47 3
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Martin Luther King, Jr knew that people were gunning for him, but he didn't stop preaching against racism. Did he commit suicide too just because James Earl Ray shot him? No because someone else was the moral agent in carrying out his death and this was not the direct will of MLK.
If Jesus had nailed himself on the cross, that would be suicide. Others nailed him to the cross, therefore it is "homicide" - from Latin "homicidium", killing of a man, normally someone not one's self.
Nor can one argue that because Jesus knew he would die that it was suicide. Because the fact of the matter is that he was not the cause of his own death. If he "willed" to die it was only in the sense that he willed to be faithful to the mission that God had given him even until death and therefore accepted that others might kill him. Still the emphasis is that OTHERS were the ones who killed him.
It sounds to me like you want to use faulty logic in order to think that you are funny and mock people who believe that the death of Jesus was salvific by saying it was suicide and therefore damnable and therefore not salvific.
All you did was prove that you didn't score high on either the math/logic part nor the verbal part of the SAT.
To attempt to answer the serious question about suicide and hell, the only unforgivable sin is denial of the Holy Spirit. Though suicide is a sin of grave matter, it is never clear to anyone other than God just how responsible for one's own actions a person who commits suicide is. As interior freedom is required for one to be responsible for one's sins, it is quite possible for someone who commits suicide to still end up receiving forgiveness for that sin after death and eventually entering fully into the presence of God. Therefore, one does not make a judgement on whether a suicide is in heaven or in hell, but one prays for the repose of that person's soul just as one would pray for the same thing for any other Christian (even Mother Teresa when she died).
2007-03-21 12:12:51
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answered by Anonymous
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I don't know if it causes damnation; Keanu Reeves in that last silly movie he did -- says that it does. What was that stupid movie's title: constantine..yeah...ugh !! I do know that suicide is 'abhorent' and craven. It means that the person did not have the cojones or savoir faire to make it in this world.
I read an account of a man who wanted to suicide (especially after his mother, who had used him as her sex toy at a young age -- died); but, being a smart man, he did some research and came to the conclusion that: suicides (who couldn't 'make the team' in this life; have an even more difficult time in the afterlife).
Intuitively, this sounds solid to me, I mean most men..use a bullet to the head..what a hoax to end up as a brain damaged slave in hell !!!! And many women overdose on pills, what a trick to end up as stupified piece of meat - in hell...
But, Jesus did not commit suicide !!! He was murdered; and his murderers were stupid enough to say --"Crucify Him, let His blood be on us and our children"; and God said...."you got it!!!, you aren't going to like it"....
And I won't even waste the energy to write about: the Garden of Gethsemane, and Jesus wanting out of the deal and how the oppression and conflict was soo great that He sweated blood. Nor will I quote how Jesus predicted what was going to happen to Him (several times) and BY FAITH went through with it anyway !! I don't want to squander my time explaining that Jesus said: "Offences must come; but, woe to the man/woman by whom they come, it would have been better that s/he never be born".
And I certainly will not try to explain the fundamental Truth of free will that -- Jesus 'yes' to the cross means absolutely nothing; unless, 'no' was a possibility.
And my 'yes' to Jesus as my Savior means no-thing; unless 'no' is an option.
2007-03-21 12:18:31
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answered by Bill S 4
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that last guy chris sounds like a real tool and doesn't really know what he's talking about he's an empty shell of a person and would be the first i'd suspect of suicide... its fact jesus commited suicide its fact we are doing the same not one by one but by a whole we're all gonna die from ourselves there is no god theres only here and now god is our minds that part we can't tap into i hope you hang
2007-03-21 12:22:32
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answered by Anonymous
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Suicide is not necessarily damnable. God looks at the intents of the heart. If you kill yourself to save people, (like your plane is going to crash, but you will kill people on the island so you land in the ocean and die.) Jesus knew he had to die to save the rest of us, so we can go to Heaven.
The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 12:31-32
31 "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
32 "And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the {age} to come.
God looks at every situation, he doesn't blanket suicide into one big "you're not going to Heaven".
2007-03-21 11:59:12
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answered by coutterhill 5
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Hmmm well from what I know only Catholics have that kind if idea that sucidals go to hell. As for my beliefs I believe sucides go to Heaven so do a lot of other people in the world.
As for Jesus he didn't kill himself the Romans did. I don't think he really knew he was going to die for people's sins.
2007-03-21 11:56:32
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answered by missgigglebunny 7
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Jesus did NOT commit suicide! The sin of suicide is forgiveable by Him.
2007-03-21 11:54:07
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answered by Tenn Gal 6
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Who said He committed suicide? Where did you read that and do you know what suicide mean?
2007-03-21 11:55:43
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answered by Child of God 5
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Isa(PBUH*) did not kill himself. He was saved from death by ALLAH. He did not commit suicide. And also about suicide being a one way ticket to hell of course that is true because when a person commits suicide they are killing themselves thus breaking one of the 10 commandments which is Thou shalt not kill.
2007-03-21 12:29:22
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answered by Anonymous
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