New Testament-- After his resurection, Jesus tells his disciples that he has "other sheep which are not of this fold" that he must go to and teach.... Guess what- they kept a record, too!!
What do you suppose this meant? Hmmm seems very common sense to me.
Could there be other records of Christ?
Do you actually think after his resurection he preached to just one group of people? Come on
Christ cares for us all and still leads and guides us this day through revelation and new scripture.
It is up to us as Christians to seek him out by reading and prayer. This is our obligation to God. If there could possibly be another testiment of Christ I would definatly sit down and read it and ask God if it were true.
But I was just curious to see what other christians thought and maybe inlighten a bit.
2007-03-20 10:00:38 · 15 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Here are some intresting scriptures I thought I might list for people who might not believe in a true church, athority or baptism.
The fullness of the restored Gospel includes baptism by immersion (Romans 6), the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands (Heb. 6:1-2), modern prophets and apostles (Ephesians 2:18-20; 4:11-14), priesthood authority from God (Heb. 5:8,9), and so forth. A discussion of how these things were lost is provided in useful on-line articles on the Apostasy in general and on the loss of truth and authority for baptism in specific.
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2007-03-20 10:01:09 · update #1
Here's the scripture, for all of those people out there who don't know where it is. John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Also in
3 Ne. 15:17 That other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Hmm... almost the exact same wording.. weird huh??
It also says in Ezekiel 37:16-20: 16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
So there are two sticks, one for the tribes of Israel, and one for the other tribes. What or how are these sticks joined? To me, it's the BOM. It joins the people of the bible with the people of this continent.
2007-03-20 10:56:21 · answer #1 · answered by odd duck 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Very nice Sean. I've heard all of this before and it makes sense ....... at least on the surface.
Now lets talk about that actual theology of both groups, LDS as taught by Joseph Smith and Christianity as taught by the Holy Bible, New Testament and Old (from an accurate translation to English).
No one can deny that the LDS Church has very good values and morals, especially on the level of the average church member. If Christians worked the same way we'd be so much farther along in our faith than we are today.
Problem arises, in my thoughts, when a church claims that all members of the faith will actually become gods, just as the LORD is God.
It's hard for me to accept the idea of marriage to a dead person so as to make that dead person able to pass to a higher level of heaven. Or don't they teach that anymore within the LDS? They did when Brigham Young was the leader.
We won't even go into the polygamy issue here. That's been rectified due to pressure from Utah State Law.
The final say as to the validity of either of these two groups, LDS and Christianity, is up to God and the believer, not other people.
Kev
2007-03-20 17:38:04 · answer #2 · answered by Hobgoblin Kev 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
At Jesus' resurrection He specifically gives a commission to those who know Him to go unto all the earth and spread the Good News (Mark 16:15, Matthew 28:18-20). His work in the physical form was done, not to be repeated. Now He works through those who have received that gift of salvation, worked out on the cross, in the form of the Holy Spirit who can be everywhere at one time.
There was no need for Him to return once again in a teaching role. The time and place in which He did come was very important for many reasons, one of which was the use of the Greek language for the New testament. It is probably the most exact language ever devised, which makes it hard to corrupt or misread, so it's meanings have been kept intact to this day. No other book is needed to understand our relationship with God and any other book that contradicts it to even the smallest degree is to be considered a false doctrine.
2007-03-20 18:06:47 · answer #3 · answered by jb 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I'm curious about the Mormon faith. Where in the New Testament does Jesus tell his disciples that he has "other sheep which are not of this fold" that he must go to and teach? I'm not aware of this.
I know that Mormons say that he then came to what is now the American continent, and I'm well familiar with the Mormon take on what happened then with the American continent, but I have yet to see any proof in the New Testament that would lead me to believe that occurred.
Thank you for a cool, calm, level-headed discussion. It sure beats flame-throwing.
2007-03-20 17:16:39 · answer #4 · answered by Scotty Doesnt Know 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You really are asking for it aren't you??!!
I've read the book of Mormon but still can't get to grips with God or Jesus, and even after having invesitgating the church ( LDS ) I still have yet to be given a definative answer that satisfied me to the point that I felt I could give everything to the church and the lifestyle.
You are not going to change peoples minds or convert tehm just by posting on Yahoo. Were you on a Mission or didn't you give two years of your life to help spread the word?
2007-03-20 17:07:12 · answer #5 · answered by bassmonkey1969 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Yes, Jesus did say He had other sheep. But this verse does not in any way give credibility to Joe Smith's phony book of Mormon. Anyone who has studied the Bible, then the book of Mormon, knows we are talking about 2 different Jesus'.
2007-03-20 17:06:04 · answer #6 · answered by John S 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Under some goading by a contributor to this forum, I read through the Book of Mormon, which I had started to read decades ago and set aside as pretentious drivel. It is still pretentious drivel, unsupported by evidence of any sort, and containing a number of flaws, which collectively show that anyone who actually believes in the thing has the intelligence of a gnat.
2007-03-20 17:07:30 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
Sean, I know you're trying to help out, but I have to agree with a couple of the answers-- you're coming across a little strong, a little over the top... Just "let your light shine that they may see your good works and glorify your Father which is in heaven.." Example speaks so much louder...
2007-03-20 17:48:55 · answer #8 · answered by Yoda's Duck 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Christ, or his image and teachings are in the quran and many oter religious texts. This is because in many religions other than christianity, while jesus is not considered the son of god, he is still considered a wise prophet.
2007-03-20 17:05:16 · answer #9 · answered by lovestomooch 2 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Yes, but Jesus said he had other SHEEP. that is people. the mormon church changed the teaching of Jesus and the Apostles. That is other doctrine. Jesus did not say he had other DOCTRINE. for encouragement, listen to ttb.org.
2007-03-20 17:05:47 · answer #10 · answered by stick man 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋