im not downing the marine corps, as a matter of fact im proud to be a former Marine but their boot camp.......

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"tactics" are nothing short of pure brutality. ok for instance, this one recruit's mom mailed him a bag of cookies, i know she should have known better not to but how many mothers out there have a full understaning of military rules? the drill instructor made him start eating the bag of cookies in front of the platoon. the recruit started getting sick and couldnt eat anymore. the drill instructor grabbed a handful of cookies, and started stuffing the cookies down the recruit's throat. how does this "traing activity" make this recruit a better Marine?? i have so much resentment for abusive drill instructors because their method dont produce a better fighting man but is rather an outlet for their mental illnesses. im proud of myself by helping one to become a private again. read my last posts. i admire the army for producing elite fighting forces without the physical abuse the marine corps is notorious for. the marine boot camp should be closer monitored, how many of u agree?

Answer 1

I went to bootcamp at PI in '88 and did not find it all that bad... sorry...

Answer 2

Well, I'm sorry that you can't draw the correlations between a little abuse and that 'recruit' breaking the rules. More than likely he horded the cookies mom sent and wasn't willing to share them with his fellow recruits. SOP for this infraction is to stand in front of the platoon and eat all your contraband.

A similar incident happened when I was in boot camp. Christmas, 1956. One recruit decided to hide the pogey bait from home and he got caught with three candy bars in his utility jacket. Doesn't sound like much, but he too, was told to eat his candy bars while the rest of the platoon watched, wrappers and all !

Usually, everything that DI's do as punitive punishment for an infraction is well documented in the instruction manual for DI's. You may think that their actions are spontaneous, but that isn't the case. The punishment usually fits the crime, in Marine Corps doctrine. You may not have the stomach to be a Marine, the co-ed army may be where you are better suited to complete your service.

You can brag about your new employer all you want, but there's a whole bunch of active and former grunts out here who disagree with your assessment. We know the Marines can fight and win, they do it practically every time they go out !

Can you say the same about your co-ed fighting force ?

Answer 3

Completely disagree..............

I went to Parris Island Nov. 96, right after the pinning on of the jump wings "scandal". The Clintonoid's used that ceremony as an excuse to take away the training authority of NCO's.
When such complaints are made, the action taken to correct them always has unintended consequences which end up doing more harm than the act in question.

The Marine Corps, went through many changes from the time I joined in 96, and when I got out in 00. The infantry was great, but the Marine Corps bureaucracy and political correctness went too far. Which was passed down by socialists in the DOD, installed by the Clinton Administration.

Answer 4

I call BS. If you really are a Marine you would never spell Marine Corps in lower case lettersfor any reason. The story story sounds made up as well. I went through boot camp at Parris Island in 1988 and the type of abuse you claim happened wasn't going on then and wouldn't be tolerated now either. The Marine Corps produces professional Drill Instructors who don't need to stoop to this level to train Recruits.

Answer 5

I thought the point of military training was to break an individual down and then build him/her up again in the form the military wants. I suppose this abuse is part of destroying a persons individuality and once they hit the bottom they can be shaped into a disciplined soldier. I'm not military but i work with military people so obviously i hear anecdotes. I agree that it can and does go too far sometimes, but in a war worse things are going to happen than being forced to eat cookies.

Answer 6

I swear I saw that cookie thing in a movie. This happened in real life?

Since when does a Marine identify himself as a former Marine? I thought once a Marine, always a Marine?

Regardless, I think that standards in initial entry training across the board for servicemembers has gone downhill. In the Army, drill sergeants are no longer allowed to yell at privates, or even all them privates. Seems kind of lax.

Answer 7

It doesn't. Really that should have been reported and the DI brought up on charges. But as someone who was in the marines for over 4 years (the only reason I got out was because I couldn't change jobs) if you can't handle a 'Big Mean Drill instructor' shoving cookies in your mouth you probably aren't going to fare well when you're in an unfamiliar place, in unsuitable conditions on little to no sleep getting shot at. As a matter of fact you'll probably end up getting your fellow Marines shot up in the first place. The real reason for boot camp isn't so much as to strengthen you physically as it is to strengthen you MENTALLY.

Answer 8

My son only finished concern-loose training and he had no longer something derogatory to declare approximately it. you assert which you're a former Marine? i think of possibly you will desire to have long previous into the army instead...or perchance the Air stress in case you prefer them to "loosen up". "The few the Proud - THE MARINES". As for the single recruit - i might have shown him the door - and surpassed him his different than honorable discharge, sounds to me like each and each of the folk you have been speaking to or listening to could no longer decrease it so they're making excuses. possibly we would desire to constantly only hand them Marine uniforms as they walk by the door after day one and then deliver them out into the sector....Marine isn't a identify which you're given it incredibly is a identify which you EARN. each now and then a bad one slips by or one that would desire to have opted for yet another provider... yet it incredibly is existence. attempt going back into the Corp and being a DI for a a number of years, then possibly you will have some credibility in my e book... or you're finding in from the exterior. The DI's and different Senior NCO's that shape our new militia participants minds/lives in concern-loose are ok experienced and a marvelous type of of them have been doing it for an exceedingly long term. They deserve our appreciate to boot as our compliment for turning civilians interior the struggling with men & women persons of usa militia.

Answer 9

To me this is more a old school "beet em up" filosophy. Nowadays its more positive controll atityde against the recruits. Its also looks a loot like a maked up story thats there to upset people on the corps. In my opinion that DI need to change his maner or get out. While I can see the reason for it its not good maner nowadays. Johan

Answer 10

I don't know if I even believe your story, but assuming it is true, there are jerks in all groups. That is just a simple fact of life. You can't take one or two morons and judge the entire group by their actions.

If you want to bring trouble down on him, make sure you will be ready to suffer the consequences you will undoubtedly get for your decision. Right, or wrong, you will face some grief.

No matter what, be proud that you chose to serve.

Answer 11

My husband, (Former Navy) said the Navy now has what are called, "Stress cards" (Or something like that) that are issued in their bootcamps. When a sailor starts to feel over stressed during drills they can hold their card up and they stop the drill or exclude that person.

I was sort of wondering... If one of our soldiers gets kidnapped and is getting the cra-p beat out of him or her by some Muslim who is planning on carving his head off after he knocks his teeth out, do you think waving a "stress card" will make the enemy back off and let our soldier catch his breath?

I don't like brutality either, but I also don't like the idea of having a military that is ill prepared for the realities of war.

A person, in order to survive needs to know what they are capable of enduring or they will fall psychologically before they ever fall physically.