Mormons: Was this revelation regarding blacks a lie when it said it will always be so?

Question

“Shall I tell you the LAW OF GOD in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the PENALTY, under the LAW OF GOD IS DEATH ON THE SPOT. This will ALWAYS BE SO.” (Journal of Discourses, v. 10, p. 110)

This doctrine is said to be inspired, and it says it will always be so. If it really is inspired, then either the following ones are wrong, or God is lying or incorrect.

P.S. I'm an atheist. I don't believe this doctrine should be followed.

Beta: Well, this was a quote from Brigham Young who is supposed to be a prophet and thus authoritative.

Answer 1

This and a thousand other reasons indicate why the Mormon religion is a sham. True they're a good upstanding bunch of people, and true their morals and virtues are unshakable...but they're based on a lie. Glass looking was a con popular in the 1800's where a person would divine information by looking into a piece of glass (a crystal ball, for instance) and extort money from people in exchange for scrying information for them. Joe Smith--the founder of the Mormon church--was convicted of conning people by glass looking several times before starting the Mormon Church. And how did he start the church? By apparently "translating" some gold tablets that he just found in the forest (which of course, no one else ever saw). How did he translate them? GLASS LOOKING!! Ugh, as if that alone weren't enough, Mormons actually believe that God is an alien that lives on a planet orbiting the star Kolob. Holy moly, I could go into detail and cite sources here but there's really no point--you can find the details yourself if you choose to research it.

Answer 2

First of all, it is NOT DOCTRINE.

Second, no, WE don't do that. Brigham Young was merely saying that under GOD'S law, this is what SHOULD or WOULD happen.

Third, if you read it carefully, the one who is under condemnation is the WHITE MAN of the CHOSEN SEED. This is because, when he spoke these words, interracial marriage between white and black was against the law, therefore, not practiced. If a white MAN had sexual relations with a BLACK WOMAN, it was pretty much rape. Brigham was telling all priesthood holders not to do such stuff. There is no penalty for the black woman. She was probably innocent.

So, yes, it will always be so that, under GOD'S law (and we don't live under GOD'S law, at this time, we live under MAN'S law) no priesthood holder should take advantage of any women.

And if you read on in that same talk, he says "If the Government of the United States, in Congress assembled, had the right to pass an anti-polygamy bill, they had also the right to pass a law that slaves should not be abused as they have been; they had also a right to make a law that negroes should be used like human beings, and not worse than dumb brutes. For their abuse of that race, the whites will be cursed, unless they repent."

To snarlsnap, Joseph Smith was never convicted of ANY crime.

To Kathleen, to the Mormons, it's NOT the Journals of Discourses vs. the Bible. WE don't use the JofD's for doctrine. It's anti's like meatbot who propagate the lies that we take doctrine from the JofD's. Our doctrine comes from our scriptures.

Answer 3

You need to realize a few things.

1) Prophets are human, they have free will. They will make mistakes, and are not in constant communication with God.

2) The Journal of Discourses is not LDS nor any Mormon Doctrine. It is a collection of Sermons given in the 1800s. I am sure if you were to look at any such people of the time you would find racism (err such as Darwin).

3) You fail to realize that there is a huge African membership of our Church. We are not a racist Church.

Answer 4

Hmmm... I'd be more concerned with the quote if it were from anything considered authoritative to LDS doctrine. You should pull up some of the stuff Bruce R McConkie speculated about. That guy had some real gems! :-)

And...it would be interesting for some of the "Utah was a slave state..." folks here to know that one of the reasons the LDS church was driven to flee the "land of the free" was because they opposed slavery and the local people didn't want their numbers to sway local politics. "My country tis of thee...sweet land of liberty..." lol

EDIT: Nope, everything a prophet says is not church doctrine.

Answer 5

Our religion is one that has always been and will always be persecuted and by people who don't even understand it in the first place.

If you've asked this, or any other "Mormon" question, only to stir up emotions and be hailed for your criticism against us or our beliefs, then I will not give you the courtesy of a response.

If you are genuinely seeking answers about what we believe, you should ask us directly. You wouldn't ask a doctor how to fix your car...you'd ask a mechanic. Go to www.lds.org or www.mormon.org.

These boards are full of people trying to come out on top, and that's not what our religion is about. This is not the place to get the kind of answers you're looking for (again, if you're genuinely seeking answers).

Answer 6

I met a black guy from Haiti named Luckner Huggins who wrote a e book approximately this, observed as "A Son of Ham under the Covenant." he's likewise lively LDS. it rather is advisable to envision it out sometime (link blanketed under). He did lots of study and blanketed his very own adventure becoming up in Haiti. this is been a pair of years on the grounds that I study the e book, yet as I bear in mind the biggest reason the Priesthood replace into no longer prolonged to the blacks replace into because of the fact a million) something happened around Abraham's time the place a counterfeit Egyptian priesthood replace into favored, and 2) The perpetuation of voodoo as yet yet another counterfeit priesthood interfered with the business enterprise of the genuine Priesthood of Jesus Christ in such places as Africa and Haiti. Even different Christian communities have had subject in the face of old superstitions, because of the fact the flexibility utilized with the help of voodoo practitioners is diametrically adversarial to the genuine ability of God. this is to no longer say that this replace into an argument for each guy or woman as much as 1978, yet merely that there have been different themes in different areas of the international which maximum persons in cutting-area circumstances might desire to take under consideration as to why it appeared to take so long to amplify the Priesthood advantages to blacks. besides the fact that solutions you get might or won't be others' evaluations, and that i be attentive to this is my opinion as nicely. Have a happy day, and that i deliver you a digital gummy undergo.

Answer 7

First of all the Mormons didnt start in Utah.. they started in New York and slowly moved west due to persecution....

Joseph Smith didnt want to have deny the black people the Melchizedek Priesthood, he was forever praying to Heavenly Father to allow them to gain it, Heavenly Father was constantly saying no though. It is now possible for black people to gain it....

Answer 8

first of all,
this did NOT come from the Bible which came way before the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon was only "written" less than 200 years and by a man who couldnt get enough power within the church so he started his own. It doesnt talk about anything like that in the Bible and if it were "inspired by God", why would he contradict himself.

Just look up the history of the text.

Answer 9

I guess you'll have to kill me then. My ex is 1/16th African and 15/16ths Asian. Yea! To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

EDIT: As for the inspiration of these "Scriptures," please read Galatians 1:6-9. Any so-called "Scriptures" brought by angels (as is the case here) are to be rejected and those following them are considered "accursed."

Answer 10

That comment alone should make a Mormon question his god. The current Book of Mormon is the third revision.

BTW-Jesus did not write that (to the first answerer)