Did Jesus himself refer to the holy trinity?

Question

Did Jesus actually claim to be the son of God? Did he also claim that that was the same thing as God?
If so, where exactly in the Bible?
Or is this just a Christian invention to big up their man?

Answer 1

You have many questions there. At least four, so let me answer them one by one.

The Holy Trinity - The word is not in the Bible but the doctrine is there. Jesus instructed his disciples to baptise in the name of the Holy Trinity. "Baptise them in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

Divinity of Jesus - Sorry but this requires a long answer. Christ’s divinity is shown over and over again in the New Testament. For example, in John 5:18 we are told that Jesus’ opponents sought to kill him because he "called God his Father, making himself equal with God."

In John 8:58, when quizzed about how he has special knowledge of Abraham, Jesus replies, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am"—invoking and applying to himself the personal name of God—"I Am" (Ex. 3:14). His audience understood exactly what he was claiming about himself. "So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple" (John 8:59).

In John 20:28, Thomas falls at Jesus’ feet, exclaiming, "My Lord and my God!" (Greek: Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou—literally, "The Lord of me and the God of me!")

In Philippians 2:6, Paul tells us that Christ Jesus "[w]ho, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped" (New International Version). So Jesus chose to be born in humble, human form though he could have simply remained in equal glory with the Father for he was "in very nature God."

Also significant are passages that apply the title "the First and the Last" to Jesus. This is one of the Old Testament titles of Yahweh: "Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, Yahweh of armies: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; besides me there is no god’" (Is. 44:6; cf. 41:4, 48:12).

Divinity of Christ a Chrisitan invention?
No it is not. In fact the early Christians and Church Fathers in the first century already believed Jesus was the Second Person of the Holy Trinity. Herer are some quotes from the writings of Church Fathers.

As the following quotes show, the early Church Fathers also recognized that Jesus Christ is God and were adamant in maintaining this precious truth.

Ignatius of Antioch
"Ignatius, also called Theophorus, to the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . predestined from eternity for a glory that is lasting and unchanging, united and chosen through true suffering by the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God"

(Letter to the Ephesians 1 [A.D. 110]). "For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God’s plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit" (ibid., 18:2). "[T]o the Church beloved and enlightened after the love of Jesus Christ, our God, by the will of him that has willed everything which is" (Letter to the Romans 1 [A.D. 110]).

Satisfied? I hope my lengthy answer helped you understand the doctrine of the Holy Trinity and Christ's divinity better.

Peace and every blessing!

Answer 2

"Did Jesus himself refer to the holy trinity?"
This answer can go deep. In essence, the term 'Holy Trinity' hadn't been invented yet. But if you read the Gospels, you will find that a form of the concept is axiomatic.

"Did Jesus actually claim to be the son of God? "
Yes. In more places than one. John 3:16 after all!

"Did he also claim that that was the same thing as God?"
Yes. John 8:58

"Or is this just a Christian invention to big up their man?"
It's either that or the truth.

Answer 3

there is also Mt 28:19 where Christ tells to go forth to all nations baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
another favorite is when a priest ends mass and quotes 2 Cor 13:14 The Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Love of God and the communion/fellowship of the Holy Ghost be with yo all. 1 John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Genises, God said, let US make man in OUR image, etc. etc. God is a trinity. And Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" and "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father." And when Thomas saw him after the Resurrection, he said, "My Lord and my God."
Now lets take old to new….
OT – the grass withers, the flowers fade but the word of our God lasts forever (Is 40:8)
Jesus – heaven & earth will pass away but MY words will never pass away. MK 12”31
OT – remember to keep the Sabbath day Holy…. The seventh day is the Sabbath of the lord, your God (Ex 20:8-9)
Jesus – The Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. Mk 2:28
Then you can continue comparing with Ex 20:12 to Mt 10:37 –where Jesus places Himself above themost basic human relationship we have on earth. Then Ex 20:13 & Mt 5:21-22 and even Ex 20:14 compared to Mt 5:27-28.

Answer 4

Jesus has never been quoted as using the term "Holy Trinity" in the Bible, but has made numerous references to his equality with God and his father being God. Jesus never suggested polytheism, always referring to one God, backed up by the Old Testament. The Holy Trinity is the human understanding of how Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit can be three beings while at the same time one God.

The gospels are full of references to Jesus referring to God as his father (Matthew 10 v32-33, Matthew 11 v27, Mark 14 v36, Mark 14 v61-62, Luke 2 v49, John 5 v16-27, John 10 v2-38).

There are also many verses that quote Jesus saying he was the same as God, (John 5 v16-27, John 8 v18-19, John 10 v22-42, John 14 v5-31, John 15 v18 to John 16 v16) Many of these passages also refer to the Holy Spirit.

John 10 v30, says it most clearly "I and the Father are one"

The Holy Spirit has fewer verses referring to it, (Matthew 28 v19: "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" and Luke 1 v35: "The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.")

There is more information on Wikpedia about the Holy Trinity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_trinity).

Answer 5

The word trinity never appears in the Bible.

According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”

If the Father and the Son have a name (Jehovah, Jesus Christ), why doesn't the Holy spirit also?

"But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, and he said: “Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand." - Acts 7:55, 56 => Where's the Holy Spirit?
The Holy spirit is God's active force, his power.
The texts from the Bible refer to the Holy Spirit as something, not as someone.

How could God be Jesus. Can you and your son be the same person? No, it's impossible.
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation." - Colossians 1:15. = > Jesus was created. He has a begining but God doesn't.

“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:36). If God and Jesus are the same shouldn't Jesus know the day?


http://www.watchtower.org/cgi-bin/lib/ProcessForm.pl

Answer 6

Jesus did claim to be the manifestation of the divine person. He did so only when he had to, because he wanted people to recognise him and admit the fact of his divinity for themselves.

' The high priest said to him, "I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God."

"Yes, it is as you say ," Jesus replied.' Matt 26:63-64 NIV

Even then, he treated the question as the answer. He knew that the high priest knew very well indeed who Jesus was.

He did not claim to be the supernal God, because that would have been absurd.

(Btw, trinitarianism teaching is not the same as the teaching of the divinity of Jesus and/or the Holy Spirit. It is the teaching of the absurdity that one person can be three persons. In Matthew 28:19, Jesus commanded the disciples to baptize into the name (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit- i.e., Himself. Orthodox teaching is that Jesus was the manifestation of one God, one person, who is perceived by us in three ways, with three roles. Trinitarianism was the invention of Roman Catholics, who murdered those who first disagreed with them. They used and use the teaching to psychologically demote Christ below the Father and below Mary. They deviously forged the following and inserted it into 1 John 5:7, where is still, scandalously, remains in the so-called 'King James Bible':

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Even this is inadequate and incompetent, as it omits the word 'Persons'! Any other translation (other than the NKJV) will tell you what Scripture really says. The KJV also uses the word 'Easter' of the Jewish Passover!!!!

Most denominations are still incompletely reformed, being heretical on this point. Many Christians are rejecting trinitarianism today.)

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Answer 7

This is the same question Jesus was asked, just before they crucified Him. He was brought before the high priest, for saying He is the Son of God. They considered it blasphemy. punishable, and worthy of death Mark 14:60-61,
If you look in John 1:1-3 says, " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word, was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him, all things were made; without Him, nothing was made that has been made." then in John 1:14, it says, "The Word became flesh and made His dwelling, among us". Then in Philippians 2:5-11, it reads, " In your relationships with one another, have the same attitude of mind Christ Jesus had, Who, being in very Nature, God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used to His own advantage; rather, He made Himself nothing, by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a human being, He humbled Himself, by becoming obedient to death-even death on a cross! Therefore, God exalted Him to the Highest place and gave Him the name that is above every name; that at the name of "Jesus", every knee should bow, in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of the Father" -(TNIV version)

Answer 8

did Jesus proclaim himself as the son of God? - YES
did he claim he is the same as God? - No

He claimed to be the sone of God but YOU never knew that claiming that he IS king means he said he IS God.

Taken form Mt. 15 1-2

Pilate: So you are the King of the Jews, are you not?
Jesus: I AM...

When he said, I AM, in greek it means, GOD. So he DID proclaim himslef as God though we thought he just said he was the son of God when he is the INCARNTED God.

God made himself man to serve man...so he may SUFFER as we do and LEARN as we do. He made himself flesh to be a part of us, he loved us so mych that he didn't care about leaving earth for he knew what will have happened

Answer 9

The trinity is not based on the Bible. It is based on the Catholic Athanasian Creed which says: "So there is One Father, not Three Fathers; one Son, not Three Sons; One Holy Ghost, not Three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other, None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal."

Is there ANY scripture that says that 3 co-equal, co-eternal "persons" make up God? No, but that is precisely what the Athanasian Creed says.

Neither Jesus nor his disciples taught such an erroneous concept of God. It was introduced into Christianity by the Catholic Church after the Council of Constantinople in 381 CE.

Answer 10

Mt 3:16-17
Mk 1:10-11
Jn 14:17
1Co 12:4-6, 15:28
2Co 3:17, 4:4, 13:14
1Th 1:1
2Th 2:13
Heb 1:2-3
1Pe 1:2

Answer 11

The closest that you will find is:
Matthew 28:19 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)


19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Taken from the following website. www,biblegateway.com