How to tell if a toy poodle is a purebred?

Question

I'm looking into buying a toy poodle off of someone who says he is purebred but has no papers. How do you tell if the dog is purebred before spending the money?

Here's the deal the owner bought the pup from someone (born June of 2006) He weighs 6-8 pounds. Owner does not have time for him due to caring for her children and running a daycare all alone while her husband is deployed out. She has sent me pics but I cannot tell. She is only asking for $80. to find him an owner and get the attention he deserves.

Mind you 80 bucks seems a little to unreal but if he is purebred then it is more of a steal:)

Answer 1

It is probably a scam, dont do it

Answer 2

Purebred Toy Poodle

Answer 3

To be honest you can't not unless the person has both parents and they are registered.

If the person is asking a fair bit , walk away, you have no idea where the dog came from eg puppymill whether is has genetic problems etc. If it had came from a very good quality breeder than they have no rights to resell the dog. So this alone suggests an irresponsibly bred puppy.

You would be better off looking for one placed through a rescue eg petfinder.com

If you want a purebred go to a reputable breeder who does health screening, it can save you a lot of potential grief.

I made the mistake of doing what you are considering, the dog happened to have rage syndrome because it occurs sporadically, I had no idea the dog had, nor did the person who was selling tell me, they did charged quite a bit even though not papered, I had recently lost another due to a longterm illness and was a bit short on cash after all the vet costs and wanted another dog to fill the void left by his passing. so I bopught this dog and within a year after several attacks and bites and vet confirming what was wrong I end having to put him down as well. It was a very painful lesson for me

The problem is you have no idea why the person is getting rid of, they may say it simply because they have no time for on hopes of recovering some of the money they spent on the dog, but it could be a problem with temperament, a genetic problem like legge calve perthes or patella problems that the owner cannot afford to treat, if you buy the dog the burden of dealing with problems then falls on you. People that simply want get rid of a dog tends to charge far less then someone who is looking to recover their money when they find a dog that they purchased has some kind of problems, it is just something I have noted as a result if I am looking for and adult dog I prefer to go thru rescues now, if they are aware of a health problem they are mostly honest about letting an adopter know as it helps to be able to ensure the dog does get a successfull placement. I have adopted special needs dogs by knowing what is wrong with the dog I can determined whether I have the skills and or finances to be to properly care for the dog.

When I am looking for a purebred puppy, I choose the breeder checking first what health problems are common in the breed and finding out if the breeder has been doing genetic testing prior to breeding to ensure and guarantee the health of pups they sell, thy also demand the pup back should for any reason you decide you cannot keep a pup. Guarantees alone are worthless, it only means you get purchase price back or another pup, but any money you invested in the pup is not recoverable and the majority of puppy buyers are too attached to a pup to be willing to return it and that is what many poor quality breeders count on buyers when they sell a pup.

Answer 4

Papers are the sure thing for insuring the dog is infact a purebred dog.
It is very difficult to detect by looking at the dog.
Purebred female toy puppies $2,000.00 with papers.
Purebred male toy puppies $1,500.00 with papers.
Without papers, it is $500.00 less.
My suggestion would be to do some research on the internet about prices for toy poodles. There are tons of sites to help you know for sure, so you do not get ripped off, from what you actually want.
Ask to see both the mother and father of the toy puppy you want. Then you will see if they are toys themselves. Otherwise you can end up buying a full size poodle and not a toy.
Just read your second comment. A toy only weighs between 4 and 5 pds. A regular poodle is between 7 and 8pds. So, it is a regular poodle. Actually they are not that much bigger then the toys in some way.
Personally, even without the papers, if your interested in the poodle, it is still a good price. But, again, the dog is not a toy. But, hey he is a poodle...and they are expensive any which way. And they don't get bigger then 8 pds. 9 at the most.

Answer 5

'People' are misinformed - Add. Sadly even people around here it would seem!!. Where's the TD button when you need it. Provided you find a reputable breeder, somebody known for producing healthy puppies for generations, logic suggests you will be far, far better to buy a purebred toy poodle, than a mix. Not a hybrid btw. Reputable breeders do not breed mix-bred puppies. This is being done by BYBs who are using their pets, often sold originally with no intention that they ever be bred from. They are not testing what they are using for their litters, and they are only interested in the income from these poorly bred pups. It's a popular misconception that mix-bred puppies will be healthier than a purebred. Again logic should tell you that a reputable breeder won't ever produce a litter other than from top quality parents simply because they don't set out to produce bad puppies. Good breeders breed for their own bloodline, the next generation and as they cannot keep every puppy in a litter, sell those they don't keep - selecting only the best for their next generation. Those puppies they don't keep, may have a fault or two, and are usually sold on non-breeding endorsements - but as BYBing isn't regulated, it's these pups who end up in the hands of the BYB, to produce puppies with faults. Contact the Toy Poodle Club where you are and ask for the names of known good breeders. And buy yourself a healthy puppy, from a breeder who will stand by what they have sold you.

Answer 6

Don't Buy without research and studying the Breed and the Breeder.You can go to Pets Mart or Pet co and get a book on Poodles and it will tell you all you need to know.Also I would want to see both Parents and siblings.I would want to see where they were raised as well .Be sure it has had at least 1 -2 shots and been wormed 1 Xper week along with mom and other pups.Make sure the pup is eating well and it should be at least 7-8 weeks old before leaving home. If it is too good to be true it is probally Not so Good.Be informed or be sorry. Good Luck!!!!!

Answer 7

I once had an elderly lady for a friend. She had a wonderful little dog. A mix of some sort. She had the dog trained well and it behaved very well. Learn here https://tr.im/6ljiI

She kept an uncovered candy dish on her coffee table with candy in it. The dog was forbidden to eat the candy. When she was in the room observing the dog he did not even appear to notice the candy. One day while she was in her dinning room she happened to look in a mirror and could see her dog in the living room. He did not know he was being watched. For several minutes he was sitting in front of the candy bowl staring at the candy. Finally he reached in and took one. He placed it on the table and stared at it, he woofed at it. He stared some more, licked his chops and PUT IT BACK in the bowl and walked away. Did he want the candy, oh yeah. Did he eat it? Nope. They can be trained that well but most, I'll admit, are not trained that well. When I was a young boy, maybe 5 years old. We had a german shepherd. He was very well trained also. My mom could leave food unattended on the table, no problem. She would open the oven door and set a pan roast beef or roast chicken on the door to cool. No problem. He would not touch it, watched or not. But butter? Whole other story. You leave a stick of butter anywhere he could reach and it was gone. He was a large shepherd so there were not many places he could not reach. Really, I think the number of dogs trained to the point they will leave food alone when not being supervised is very small indeed.
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Now if we are talking obedience training, not food grubbing, that is a different story. Way back when I was first learning obedience training one of the final exercises was to put our dogs in a down/stay and not only leave the room but leave the building for 15 minutes. The only person that stayed was our trainer, not the owners. Most of the dogs in my class did not break their stay, which would be an automatic fail. I'm happy to report my dog was one of the ones that passed.

Answer 8

Poodles always have alot of hair in their ears, check that. Do you know anyone who has bought puppies from this person? If they are purebred he can register them with Continental Kennal Club with no problem 1-800-952-3376. I can't understand why he doesn't have them registered at all. A purebred poodle will also have curly hair all the way to the skin. I'd be afraid to buy 1 since I am a Yorkie breeder I would need to see the parents and the puppy before I would buy 1. People always want to see the parents. If you live near Nashville, TN I can hook you up with 2 poodle breeders that have registered dogs.

Answer 9

Don't buy the dog if you want a purebred dog with no papers. Even dogs registered with ACA and sometimes UKC (sorry for anyone who does register their purebred dogs with those organizations) may not be purebred. Go to akc.org and look up breeders in your area. Ask them about any older dogs they may have that they no long want to see if you can get a discount. Most times breeders have a handful of dogs they don't want anymore, but cant find good homes for.

And they only way I can tell if it is a purebred poodle is a shaved face showing the chizled cheek bones of the poodle. but that is not always a good rule either. Most backyard breeders produce for the hell of it, just to make money, not to maintain the original look and appeal of the breed. I do not know where you live, but I show poodles and am contact with many out standing breeders on the east coast of the US and can email me privately at [e-mail].

Answer 10

With out he papers you will never know...sometimes with papers you never know. I wouldn't pay for a dog with out papers. I was on a business trip once in NC. I ended up buying my Shih Tzu there.. I had the papers I seen both parents..I did all I was suppose to do . When my little baby grew up I look down at him and said baby you may be a Shih Tzu but something else got in there somewhere lol. So I got him neuter and love him just the same. So even then you can't be sure. But don't be spending a lot of money for a non paper puppy. But if you see the puppy and like the puppy by all means buy him..Papers don't make the puppy the puppy makes the puppy. Just like my little Shih and what ever lol.

Answer 11

There's no good reason for a dog not to have papers if it's a purebred. It only costs something like $20 for the breeder to register the entire litter, so don't let them tell you it was too expensive or something like that.