If converting by a sword is so detestable, what do you think of those converting to democracy by bombs?

Question

If converting by a sword is so detestable (usual excuse of non-Muslims to the spread of Islam), what do you think of those converting entire countries to democracy by using depleted uranium bombs, bunker-busters, carpet bombing, chemical weapons etc .? Is that an allowable practice? Can one country's brand of governance, howsoever successful, be imposed on another country (particularly when it is not acceptable) by the use of brute force?

What is your opinion about those who resist such forceful conversion? Terrorists? Fundamentalists? Criminals? War-mongers? Uncivilized?

Answer 1

One person's government shouldn't be forced on another government. The USA should not be trying to convert innocent Iraqis to democracy by dropping bombs on them or killing anyone who doesn't "welcome invaders". I'll say one thing about Saddam. Though his methods of controlling his people were brutal at least he knew how to keep his country intact. I say let the Iraqis work their own problems out or let the rest of the Middle East handle them. If Iraq chooses to accept democracy one day then let them choose it on their own time. Don't force them to be a democratic state when they don't want that type of government. The Shia and Sunni need to get over themselves and come to some sort of compromise in order to get along and help rebuild their country. I also think they should include the Kurds as well in the planning of their government. It seems to me that the American forces in Iraq are favoring the Sunni just like Saddam favored the Sunni and that could very well be one of the reasons that the Shia and Sunni are killing each other. As for Afghanistan I think the Americans there need to quit shooting people who look like they might be "terrorists" and leave there. Let America deal with America and the Middle East deal with the Middle East.

Answer 2

Hi,

Anytime force is used to supposedly create democracy, it is a clear indication the leader behind it is a village idiot, and the more force prescribed, the higher the level of moron genes involved.

There was a leader of the Third Reich in World War II that closely fits the above character profile.

According to the Village Idiot, anyone resisting would be classified as all of the above.

If you don't believe it, just ask him or any of supporters, who the lovable little fuzz ball Lush Rimbaugh, the presiding king of prescription drug abuse, has bestowed upon them the title of ditto heads and skulls full of mush.

Hardly titles suggesting any hint of intellect. Old Lush may not be the brightest bulb on the tree, but he do tell it like it is!

Excellent question,

Darryl S.

Answer 3

good point, and democracy by bombs is not working, not even in the slightest, even the staged elections for the western people to see on the news, look real shady. Democracy by phosphorus, napalm , cluster bomblets, or depleted uranium fails every time. The resistors have a right to resist, as does any peoples occupied by foreign military. Americans would be fighting back just like the Iraq's do, and no one would blame them, just like we should not blame the Iraq's for fighting back against this foreign occupation.

Answer 4

Violence isn't an answer to anything. Conversion under the sword was violence... & the war today is violence. Both are equally wrong.
To those who resist this with even more violence ,I have one thing to say ...'An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind'.
There are examples from nations all around the world who resisted such tyrrany peacefully.

Answer 5

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Answer 6

That is just the point the saints were trying to make. Democracy says peace and security, when there is no peace.
- And it was in mens hearts to carry out their one thought.

Answer 7

They are not at all democrats.Just like the eyes cannot see the eyes themselves they also cannot know their own faults or shortcomings.

Answer 8

It is a common complaint among some non-Muslims that Islam would not have millions of adherents all over the world, if it had not been spread by the use of force. The following points will make it clear, that far from being spread by the sword, it was the inherent force of truth, reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.

1. Islam means peace.

Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means submitting one’s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt).

2. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace.

Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and anti-social elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace. At the same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight where there is oppression. The fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.

3. Opinion of historian De Lacy O’Leary.

The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O’Leary in the book ’Islam at the cross road’ (Page 8):

’History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated.’


4. Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years.

Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.

5. 14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians.

Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.

6. More than 80% non-Muslims in India.

The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword.

7. Indonesia and Malaysia.

Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, ’Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?’

8. East Coast of Africa.

Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, ’Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?’

9. Thomas Carlyle.

The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book ’Heroes and Hero worship’, refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: ’The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can.’

10. No compulsion in religion.

With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Qur’an says in the following verse:

’Let there be no compulsion in religion:
Truth stands out clear from error’
[Al-Qur’an 2:256]

11. Sword of the Intellect.

It is the sword of intellect. The sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Qur’an says in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse 125:

’Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord
with wisdom and beautiful preaching;
and argue with them in ways that are
best and most gracious.’
[Al-Qur’an 16:125]

12. Increase in the world religions from 1934 to 1984.

An article in Reader’s Digest ‘Almanac’, year book 1986, gave the statistics of the increase of percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984. This article also appeared in ‘The Plain Truth’ magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235%, and Christianity had increased only by 47%. May one ask, which war took place in this century which converted millions of people to Islam?

13. Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and Europe.

Today the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The fastest growing religion in Europe in Islam. Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers?

14. Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson.

Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson rightly says, ’People who worry that nuclear weaponry will one day fall in the hands of the Arabs, fail to realize that the Islamic bomb has been dropped already, it fell the day MUHAMMED (pbuh) was born’

Answer 9

I think this is very true and there is an unfortunate connection between Christianity and democracy thanks to all of Bush's "God Bless Our Country." 's.

Answer 10

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