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etc, have no choice but to live by law. it seems most of us Christians dont get it either. Seems like we just want to make harsher laws. what do you think?

2007-03-16 17:03:13 · 13 answers · asked by expertless 5 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

some of you show your lack of Christian knowledge. im not referring to societies laws. sure we have to keep societies laws.

2007-03-16 17:15:26 · update #1

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Pius XII: Mystici Corporis, 29: "And first of all, by the death of our Redeemer, the New Testament took the place of the Old Law which had been abolished; then the Law of Christ together with its mysteries, enactments, institutions, and sacred rites was ratified for the whole world in the blood of Jesus Christ...but on the Gibbet of His death Jesus made void the Law with its decrees fastened the handwriting of the Old Testament to the Cross, establishing the New Testament in His blood shed for the whole human race. "To such an extent, then," says St. Leo the Great, speaking of the Cross of our Lord, "was there effected a transfer from the Law to the Gospel, from the Synagogue to the Church, from the many sacrifices to one Victim, that, as Our Lord expired, that mystical veil which shut off the innermost part of the temple and its sacred secret was rent violently from top to bottom."
30: "On the Cross then the Old Law died, soon to be buried and to be a bearer of death, in order to give way to the New Testament of which Christ had chosen the Apostles as qualified ministers"
Council of Trent, ch 1, 793: "but not even the Jews by the very letter of the law of Moses were able to be liberated or to rise therefrom"
Council of Trent, Session 6, ch 2: "that He might both redeem the Jews, who were under the Law"
Council of Trent, Canon 1: "If anyone shall say that man can be justified before God by his own works which are done through his own natural powers, or through the teaching of the Law...let him be anathema."
Council of Florence, DS 695: "There are seven sacraments of the new Law: namely, baptism, confirmation, Eucharist, penance, extreme unction, orders, and matrimony, which differ a great deal from the sacraments of the Old Law. For those of the Old Law did not effect grace, but only pronounced that it should be given through the passion of Christ; these sacraments of ours contain grace, and confer it upon those who receive them worthily."
Council of Florence, DS 712: "It firmly believes, professes, and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosiac law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments, because they were established to signify something in the future, although they were suited to the divine worship at that time, after our Lord's coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the sacraments of the New Testament began; and that whoever, even after the passion, placed hope in these matters of the law and submitted himself to them as necessary for salvation, as if faith in Christ could not save without them, sinned mortally."
"All, therefore, who after that time observe circumcision and the Sabbath and the other requirements of the law, it declares alien to the Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in eternal salvation, unless someday they recover from these errors. Therefore, it commands all who glory in the name of Christian, at whatever time, before or after baptism' to cease entirely from circumcision, since, whether or not one places hope in it, it cannot be observed at all without the loss of eternal salvation."
Pope Benedict XIV, Ex Quo Primum, #59: "However they are not attempting to observe the precepts of the old Law, which as everyone knows have been revoked by the coming of Christ."
Pope Benedict XIV, Ex Quo Primum, #61: "The first consideration is that the ceremonies of the Mosaic law were abrogated by the coming of Christ and they can no longer be observed without sin after the promulgation of the Gospel."
Pius VI, DS 1519-1520 (condemned the following): "Likewise, the doctrine which adds that under the Law man 'became a prevaricator, since he was powerless to observe it, not indeed by the fault of the Law, which was most sacred, but by the guilt of man, who, under the Law, without grace, became more and more a prevaricator'; and it further adds, 'that the Law, if it did not heal the heart of man, brought it about that he would recognize his evil, and, being convinced of his weakness, would desire the grace of a mediator'; in this part it generally intimates that man became a prevaricator through the nonobservance of the Law which he was powerless to observe, as if 'He who is just could command something impossible, or He who is pious would be likely to condemn man for that which he could not avoid' (from St. Caesarius Serm. 73, in append., St. Augustine, Serm. 273, edit. Maurin; from St. August., De nat, et "rat., e. 43; De "rat. et lib. arb., e. 16, Enarr. in psalm. 56, n. I),-- false scandalous, impious, condemned in Baius (see n. 1504).
1520 20. "In that part in which it is to be understood that man, while under the Law and without grace, could conceive a desire for the grace of a Mediator related to the salvation promised through Christ, as if 'grace itself does not effect that He be invoked by us' (from Conc. Araus. II, can. 3 [v.n. 176]),-- the proposition as it stands, deceitful, suspect, favorable to the Semipelagian heresy.

2007-03-16 18:44:08 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

The "Law" the Bible refers to is the Pentitude, first 5 books, not the laws of today that you may be referring to. Christians are instructed to obey the laws of their land to an extent, but we are forgiven through the grace and mercy bought by the death and resurrection of Jesus. The grace is what covers our sins in the eyes of God, so we can enter Heaven.

2007-03-17 00:10:18 · answer #2 · answered by Debbie R 3 · 1 0

Your confusing things.

We are Saved by Grace, not by Keeping the Laws.

But, Grace doesn't given reason to sin. It should give you reason to Keep God's Commandments in Love, not fear of Death, as in the Law.

Hebrews 10:
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Romans 6:1
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

We are saved by Faith in Jesus, because of Grace.
Do we not still have work to do?

James 2:14-20

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2007-03-17 00:12:18 · answer #3 · answered by mornings_sunshine 2 · 1 0

I strive to live by the commandments, statues and Jesus came to give us grace too. Mankind is following the world and don't want to really learn to live by God's way. God is love and so are all his commandments and so on. He did not do this to control us .. He did it cause he loves us and wants the best for all his children. See all these wars, famines and so on and on..uggg. Don't blame God .. blame stubborn mankind. God is giving mankind to 6,000 yrs to see if they can do it there way cause adam and eve thought they knew what they were doing and now so does mankind. There will be a 7,000 year reign<

2007-03-17 00:22:26 · answer #4 · answered by b1znsk 2 · 1 0

Law & Grace. I must follow man's law to live in God's law. They both go hand in hand.

2007-03-17 00:07:53 · answer #5 · answered by Mekayla 4 · 1 0

Jesus said "render unto Ceasar what is Ceasers and God what is God's" or otherwise don't break the laws of the land you live in or God's,
I believe I'm set free from sin but not set free to sin.

2007-03-17 00:10:52 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

I think it would be great if every Christian seriously read Phillip Yancy's book: "What's so Amazing agbout Grace?"

2007-03-17 00:08:11 · answer #7 · answered by Mr Ed 7 · 0 0

I love by law. It's the social contract theory that never presupposed this notion of 'grace'

2007-03-17 00:06:37 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

I live by grace but dont rely on it for I dont sin intentionally.

2007-03-17 00:06:21 · answer #9 · answered by Tribble Macher 6 · 1 0

wasn't Jesus proofed perfect by the law? Christianity has accepted so much pagan believes into its core that what they believe in, isn't found in anything that Jesus talked of in the gospels. to a christian is blasphemes to even think that Jesus was married and had a child. For 2000 years there is no proof of the virgin birth, but its considered fact. Not one prophecy of the old testament has been full filled by Jesus, and the ones that they claim he full filled aren't even there.

2007-03-17 00:10:48 · answer #10 · answered by seal183 1 · 0 4

You mentioned us non-believers, so...

Is your question supposed to make any kind of sense at all to non-Christians?

2007-03-17 00:15:23 · answer #11 · answered by RickySTT, EAC 5 · 1 0

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