How do Protestants interpret these Bible verses?

Question

Jude verses 14&15 (no chapters to Jude (KJV))
14 And Enoch also , the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these , saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgement upon all that are ungody among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken of him.

If the saints are dead and powerless what are they doing coming back to help the Lord pass judgment? If Catholics don't read the Bible how did i know that?

Answer 1

they interpret the whole bible wrongly,this should be interesting though,no offence to them by my comment either,but lets face it,they say the catholic church is run by man,was it not man (martin luther) who made up doctrines that were unheard of for 1500years and deleted and edited other books in the bible?are not their pastors men(even women which goes against scripture...) adn when they seek counselling they usually turn to their pastor for the answers. again no offence to the other readers i am just putting my pennies worth in.

Answer 2

WHO said the saints are dead and powerless? ! Is it not written: Iam the Living God and the God of Issac, Jacob and Abram....Isn't there an account of Jesus' 'meeting with Moses and Elijah' on a mountaintop; prior to being unjustifiably arrested, tortured, disrespected and crucified.

What I find interesting is: Jesus and Jude quoted ENOCH and neither the catholics nor the protest ants have Enoch in their Bible.

However, to you question: Jude is saying what John was to see later in Revelation - Jesus will return with power and great glory (with a big army of His people) to wipe out what is left of evil men and their tawdry empires. This, of course, after the SEVEN seals, trumpets and bowls of wrath have devastated this tiny planet.

Answer 3

I'm having a hard time figuring out why you think Jude 14 & 15 say that the "saints are dead." It's talking about the End Times, when Jesus will judge all the people of the world, how does that relate to the saints?

EDIT oh wait I think I get it, you're saying that the saints coming with Jesus are the Catholic saints? First off, there is fleshly death and then spiritual death. While the dead are dead in body, they never die in spirit. Jesus will return with those He names Saints in the end times. I still don't get what you mean about the rest though...

Answer 4

1) God is the God of the living and not the dead.

2) This passage sounds like a reference to when the Lord returns to rule the earth for a thousand years. When He returns He is just going to speak the word and slay His enemies.

3) You last question is based upon false assumptions, an example of a question with false assumptions is this:

Does your mother know you are stupid?
a) If you answer no, then logic dictates your mother is ignorant about you being stupid
b) If you answer yes, then logic dictates that you know you are stupid and your mother knows too.

The false assumption is that you are stupid. You last question makes the false assumption that all Catholics don't read. It is an absolute statement and is obviously wrong.

Hope this helps.

Answer 5

We all (believers in Jesus Christ) will be with Jesus when He comes to execute justice. But there is no scriptural basis to pray for dead saints to help us. There is one God and one Mediator between God and man, the Man Christ Jesus.If you look at it honestly, isn't it idolatry to kneel before a statue to pray, or even just keep one around the house to "protect" you? In my humble opinion, if we do these things, are we not putting the precepts of men above the command of God?

Answer 6

The flesh dies, not the soul.
1 cor.15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Answer 7

First of all, we know that when a Saint dies here on earth they are immediately with the Lord Jesus. As to them having "power" there is nothing in the Bible that says that saints in Heaven have any power on earth or that they can hear prayers offered up from earth. Just think of Mary trying to keep track of the millions of prayers offered to her every day. It's totally ridiculous and goes against what the Bible teaches about prayer.

Can you find one passage where say an Apostle told people to pray to them after they were in Heaven? Can you find one passage where anyone ever prays to anyone besides God?

As to the passage you ask about I interpret it by comparing that passage to these passages. The Greek word translated in the KJV as "saints" is "hagios" which means "holy ones". It could refer to saints or it could refer to angels or to both.

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Answer 8

be right back, you need a thorough answer not just blabbering