Jewish, Muslims, and all-Did the prophet IsaiahCh53, lie when he said the Messiah would die to forgive sins?

Question

while the Talmud and Koran were written teaching new religions that reject Isaiah' s prophecies, along with Moses too:

"The life of the flesh is in the blood ,and I have given upon the altar to make atonement for your souls." Leviticus 17:11

The muslim arguements that the bible has been tampered with are mute-for the first changes my Jewish people would have done would be to remove these Scriptures, to reject Yeshua/Essa/Jesus.=Hebrew God is Salvation/Islamic pbuh/and the Greek rendering placed into English.

ISAIAH 52:13-53:12 stated 700 bce verse 12 "The Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He has poured out his soul unto death, and made intercession for the transgressors."

Religion told me to reject Moses and Isaiah and that I could earn my way to heaven and that there was no reason for a Messiah to die innocent for my sins.

The Messiah is my best friend now. Will you believe Isaiah,Moses & Him too?

the Zohar "Surely our sicknesses he has carried " in Isaiah 53 is reconginzed as the Messiah."

2nd answer-you did not read the above explanation-if it was tampered with My Jewish people would have removed these verses!

3rd you talk about how lovely Mohamed was -well when he took a 9 year old little girl and said an angel told him to marry her -he would be 'lovely' in prison today. and he is why Isaiah was overlooked because he didnt evidently have enough time to read the Scriptures instead to quote from them in some places.

4th answer yes

that is the portion going on to Isaiah 53:12 which is the one that was quoted

and fulfilled the blood sacrifice required in the temple. thank you

Zohar II, 212a

also look at Pesikta Rabbati Piska 36:142

Talmud Sanhedrin 98a

all state Isaiah 53 refers to the Messiah

-and who else would come to die for our sins? anyone less that the Messiah-who would be innocent to take our guilt

also this chapter says "He will be despised and rejected." you and once I was proof of that!

R. Johanan also said: The son of David will come only in a generation that is either altogether righteous or altogether wicked. 'in a generation that is altogether righteous

Isaiah stated in this chapter "All we like sheep have gone astray, and the Lord has made to light upon him the iniquities of us all."

Thus Isaiah said we are all unrighteous-thus being the time for the Messiah to come.

with no blood sacrifice as Moses said God commanded where do you get atonement from?

Jeremiah 31:31 I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel not like the one made with Moses, and you shall be my people and I will be your God.

not just the High priest could come into God's presence but now we all can-that is why the Messiah is my best friend-he talks to my heart and he comforts me and leads me as the good shepherd was promised to do.

there is no verse 13 14 15 or 16 in Isaiah 53 so that was not in reference to Isaiah 53

direct quote for the Talmud and quotes Isaiah 53 and it references it to the Messiah= R. Johanan said: For the sake of the Messiah. What is his [the Messiah's] name? — The School of R. Shila said: His name is Shiloh, for it is written, until Shiloh come.26 The School of R. Yannai said: His name is Yinnon, for it is written, His name shall endure for ever:27 e'er the sun was, his name is Yinnon.28 The School of R. Haninah maintained: His name is Haninah, as it is written, Where I will not give you Haninah.29 Others say: His name is Menahem the son of Hezekiah, for it is written, Because Menahem ['the comforter'], that would relieve my soul,


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is far.30 The Rabbis said: His name is 'the leper scholar,' as it is written, Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him a leper, smitten of God, and afflicted.31 Isaiah chapter 53

here is a debate where Hillel was put down and it was said the Messiah would come during the second temple=R. Hillel7 said: There shall be no Messiah for Israel,8 because they have already enjoyed him in the days of Hezekiah. R. Joseph said: May God forgive him [for saying so]. Now, when did Hezekiah flourish? During the first Temple. Yet Zechariah, prophesying in the days of the second, proclaimed, Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion, shout, O daughter of Jerusalem, behold, thy king cometh unto thee! he is just, and having salvation, lowly, and riding upon an ***, and upon a colt the foal of an ***.9 Zechariah 9:9 this is in the next tractate from the one you gave me

to the last Lady-yes Moses offered-but God refused-only the Messiah was without sin-Moses the big hero to those that reject the Messiah-said we have to have an innocent blood atonement for our sins Leviticus 17vs 11,

Moses killed and smote the rock when God said speak to it-and was not alowed to enter the promised land because of his sins-let alone offer his life for others sins and it be accepted-its innocent sacrifice of blood for the ones=all of us guilty sin

Answer 1

And don't forget this: Deut. 18:18 tells us the Messiah will be a prophet like Moses. Didn't Moses offer his own life as payment for the sins of the Jews?

Exodus 32:30-33: "Now it came to pass on the next day that Moses said to the people, 'You have committed a great sin. So now I will go up to the LORD; perhaps I can make atonement for your sin.' Then Moses returned to the LORD and said, 'Oh, these people have committed a great sin, and have made for themselves a god of gold! Yet now, if You will forgive their sin—but if not, I pray, blot me out of Your book which You have written.' And the LORD said to Moses, 'Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book. "

Answer 2

Find the word Messiah (or any reference to the Messiah) anywhere in Isaiah Ch53.

Then we can talk.

OK open up a Zohar and point that out to me. Dont listen to what other people say read it yourself.



you still need to give me the actuall texts, because I seriously doubt you know enough Hebrew to read it yourself.

but for one of them I will help you out.


here is the Talmud of Sanhedrin 98a in English so you can read it.

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_98.html


I will even point out the passage in question that quotes Isaiah 53

R. Hama b. Hanina said: The son of David will not come until even the pettiest kingdom ceases [to have power] over Israel,13 as it is written, He shall both cut off the sprigs14 with pruning hooks, and take away and cut down the branches;15 and this is followed by, in that time shall the present be brought unto the Lord of hosts of a people that is scattered and peeled.16

No where in it dose it say that the "suffering servent" is the Messiah.

what are you going to show me next?

Answer 3

Isiah 52:12-13 actually reads, "12 For ye shall not go out in haste, neither shall ye go by flight; for HaShem will go before you, and the G-d of Israel will be your rearward. 13 Behold, My servant shall prosper, he shall be exalted and lifted up, and shall be very high."
Leviticus is discussing the sacrifices in the Temple. "2 Speak unto Aaron, and unto his sons, and unto all the children of Israel, and say unto them: This is the thing which HaShem hath commanded, saying: 3 What man soever there be of the house of Israel, that killeth an ox, or lamb, or goat, in the camp, or that killeth it without the camp" Leviticus 17:2-3
idjit...

Answer 4

First of all bible have been tempered over the time
second, the meaning you are taking from these verse is not necessarily true.
Chrsitians already have formed a belief and just hunting for the proofs after forming the belief.
If God is just, sins should not be inherited
Bible say, those who sinneth shall die and you believe innocent should die.
how are going to solve this contradiction

Answer 5

Muhammad was going to be, in the words of Solomon, "altogether lovely" which in Hebrew is expressed as Mahmaddim. (Song of Solomon 5: 10-16) He was the fulfillment of the "stone" of Daniel's dream. (Daniel 2:34-35) He was the coming of the lord of the vineyard himself as foretold by Jesus.

True, there are some prophecies about Jesus as well in the Old Testament but it is also a fact that there are many which cannot rightly be applied to him. These could be fulfilled in the person of the one who was coming with a Law and whose mission was to be not just to "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" but to the whole world, one who was spoken of by Jesus as the Comforter and Spirit of Truth. The predictions about Muhammad in the Bible are clear and precise.