How can athiests have so much faith? Part 2?

Question

It seems that people are not understanding what it is that I am saying. Allow me to try it one more time:

1) I use the term faith because that is exactly what it is, faith. You don't know where the universe originated from, you just know that it has an origin. Now science has no explanation about where or how the begining of the universe took place so please dont use phrase's like "Science I can see." In truth, science at the moment isn't anywhere close to giving you the answers. So, if science can't give you physical, beyond a shadow of a doubt evidence for the origins of the universe, then aren't you going by faith. Faith that science will someday have the answers?

2) I am asking where "everything" came from. If not from God then from where? Please, if you use science as a reason then back it up with proof please otherwise you my friends, are going by faith.

Answer 1

There is atheism with faith - strong atheism. Even that form of atheism takes only a very small amount of faith.

There is also weak, or agnostic atheism.

That is what I am. This means that though I don't claim to know (which seems to be your reason for claiming we have faith), there is no evidence, and until there is I don't believe.

2) Before the Big Bang, we don't know what happened. See how that works? "I don't know," not, "I don't wanna say I don't know, so we'll just say God did it."

Answer 2

How many times does this question have to be answered?

As far as matter, it can spontaneously appear as a particle and an anti-particle. There is no net gain in energy or mass in the universe, so there are no laws of science violated. There is no God necessary because ultimately, the sum total of NOTHING exists.

There is no creator necessary, and in the end, Christians are faced with the problem. If God existed for an eternity before he got around to creating us ... what did he do ... get bored after eternity, and say "let's play"?

Everything can come from NOTHING. It's been proved in the laboratory.

The fact that we don't have ALL the answers doesn't necessarily mean that there MUST be a God who has them. Maybe it makes you feel better to think that someone has all the answers, but you have NO PROOF. Science asks questions, and all of the answers are ultimately fothcoming. True, there are some that we don't have yet; perhaps most of them. The point is that if you don't ask the questions because you believe you know that the answer is God, you stagnate. We understand the process of evolution, though we don't have ALL of the pieces. We are learning more and more about the genesis of the universe, able to peer back further and further in time. We are delving deeper and deeper into the fundamental particles of nature. As yet, we've seen nothing that requires a god to make it happen.

When you find the one thing that can't happen without God, that actually does happen because of him, please let your nearest university professor, or us on answers, know about it.

Answer 3

The universe originated from a quantum singularity. A singularity is a point at which all known rules of reality as we know it break down. It is therefore impossible at this time in our scientific development to determine what had happened before that instant. It is not unreasonable to suppose that some time in the future a breakthough may occur and we will find the answer to that question. Until then, we cannot know. This is not faith, merely a guess based on previously known patterns.

It is equally impossible for you to claim knowledge of the origin of the singularity with any honesty. You have no more evidence than science does about the origin (if it can be called that) of said singularity or of the event (if any) that caused it to expand. You have even less evidence of a deity being that "first cause". Merely an assertion backed by nothing.

Answer 4

Faith is belief in the absence of evidence. Irrational faith is belief despite contrary evidence.

I do not know why the universe exists. No one knows. It is possible, I suppose, that the universe was created by something outside the universe. Suppose for the sake of argument that I grant you that is true. Where does that get us? If you somehow think that means I've accepted the claims of the Old Testament, well, sorry, I don't. I think there is a great deal of evidence against the Old Testament being true, and no evidence for it being true. In other words, I think faith in the claims of the Old Testament is irrational faith.

Now, let's throw out the Old Testament, and return to the question of a creator. How does the assumption of a creator help us in any way? Doesn't that just push the problem of original creation back one level? Who created the creator? If the creator is special and did not need creation, why can't we assume the universe itself did not need creation?

Do you see that I am not basing any of my arguments on faith? I admit what I don't know, and let it be. I try hard to believe only in claims for which there is evidence. I have no need for faith.

Answer 5

Well, you DO have to have at least a little faith to survive in this world. For instance if you are walking on the sidewalk, you have to have faith in people driving cars and believe that they will not hit you. If you go to a restaurant you have faith in the cook that he/she did a good job cooking the food and will not give you food poisoning. I'm not sure if this really answers your question, but if you think about it we all have to have faith to get along in the world, no matter what creed we are or what we do.

But why did you post the same question twice?

Answer 6

I personally cant wait till the day when we find the evidence that proves the big bang, and evolution theories wrong! That is all they are, and thats as far as they will get! Mate good on you for posing the question.

Ok to the person who commented above me, there is plenty of proof for the Bible, for the Lord, and against evolution. I would also very much like to see how they proved that you can create something form nothing in the lab? If there is absolutely nothing, its not possible!

Answer 7

It's not that people don't understand your questions, but rather that you don't know the difference between faith and reason.

I wasn't there when you were born, yet I believe that you were born and not brought by the stork. Is that faith or reason? I assume the universe is here, regardless of not knowing how it arrived. Is that faith or reason? Since we have only one universe, and there is no record of how it came about, there is nothing favoring it being brought by a cosmological stork vs. born by naturalistic processes. People not believing things because you believe them is not faith on their part.

Answer 8

'Proof' in the sense you're using the word is impossible. The only thing you can prove is your own existence based on your ability to think. I don't 'know' with absolute certainty where the universe came from. But I do know that the Big Bang is the theory that best fits the data currently available.

Answer 9

So your saying you wanna be agnostic?

Science can not explain everything. Saying "god did it" is hardly scientific. Once we accepted the earth is the center of the universe. That changed when we had solid evidence. So lets wait shall we.........

Answer 10

Atheism is based on faith just like all the theism.

Agnosticism is based on logic.

The only difference between the faith of an Atheist and the faith of a christian is that an Atheist sees that knowledge is expanding and that the gaps a god can legitimately claim without conflicting with knowledge are shrinking. The christian sees the opposite and also has to admit that its been 2000 years since god last showed up.

The real question is how can christians have so much faith?