If the Bible has been changed like Muslims claim, is there historical proof ...?

Question

when and how this happened? Specific dates, persons' names who did it etc.

Answer 1

Believing a Muslim's opinion about biblical matters is like the gazelle seeking the council of a lion. Muslims can't even agree on their own text. The proof of this is Iraq, Sunni and Shi‘ite have been killing each other for thousands of years because they can't agree on who should be the rightful teachers of Islam after the death of Muhammad. Jews don't want to admit they missed the boat on the true Messiah, so they will never give his teachings any holy credit.

We as Christians are led by The Spirit of God, He gives us discernment.

Oh yeh, and the Quran is definitly not from God.

Answer 2

First we have to discuss exactly what the "Bible" is.

I'll divide this into two parts:

1) the old testament
2) the new testament

As for the Old Testament, there is historical proof that is has been changed. Contrary to popular notion that the dead sea scrolls are proof that they 'havent' been changed. In reality they are proof that they have. There are deletions, additions, and alterations that show that the old testament today is not the same as it was 2000 years ago.


As for the New Testament, consider this quote from the interpretors dictionary of the bible:

"THE PROBLEM. The NT is now known, whole or in part, in nearly five thousand Greek MSS alone. Every one of these handwritten copics differ from every other one. In addition to these Greek MSS, the NT has been preserved in more than ten thousand MSS of the early versions and in thousands of quotations of the Church Fathers. These MSS of the versions and quotations of the Church Fathers differ from one another just as widely as do the Greek MSS. Only a fraction of this great mass of material has been fully collated and carefully studied. Until this task is completed, the uncertainty regarding the text of the NT will remain.

It has been estimated that these MSS and quotations differ among themselves between 150,000 and 250,000 times. The actual figure is, perhaps, much higher. A study of 150 Greek MSS of the Gospel of Luke has revealed more than 30,000 different readings. It is true, of course, that the addition of the readings from another 150 MSS of Luke would not add another 30,000 readings to the list. But each MS studied does add substantially to the list of variants. It is safe to say that there is not one sentence in the NT in which the MS tradition is wholly uniform."

This is clear proof that nothing in the new testament is completely uniform. If this doesnt show you that the New Testament has gone through changes I dont know what will!

Additionally scholars have agreed that certain stories that exist in the new testament today did not exist in the earliest manuscripts.

All one has to do is consider things that written for anyone to see:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%201%20-100;&version=31;
Footnotes:
Mark 1:1 Some manuscripts do not have the Son of God.
Mark 6:14 Some early manuscripts He was saying
Mark 6:20 Some early manuscripts he did many things
Mark 9:29 Some manuscripts prayer and fasting
Mark 9:43 Some manuscripts out, 44 where / " 'their worm does not die, / and the fire is not quenched.'
Mark 9:45 Some manuscripts hell, 46 where / " 'their worm does not die, / and the fire is not quenched.'
Mark 10:7 Some early manuscripts do not have and be united to his wife.
Mark 11:25 Some manuscripts sins. 26 But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in heaven forgive your sins.
Mark 12:23 Some manuscripts resurrection, when men rise from the dead,

Those are just a few of the alterations that are admitted by an average bible scholar. Some alterations that are admitted by other scholars are that the story of the woman committing adultery does not exist int he early manuscripts, and also the verses concerning preaching the gospel to whole world, and also a verse used for proof of the trinity.

Additionally the 4 authors of the main new testament books are all anonymous and in reality unknown.

Regarding the author books besides the main four, then each church is in disagreement about what books should go in the new testament. The catholic church for example has several more books in the New testament than the protestant church! It is not simply different translations, but rather a different number of books.

Answer 3

There are two Bibles here, which one would you like to know?
The Old Testament called the Torah was written by the Jews and most likely in Israel, however, there were also many Jews in Babylon which they call the Book of Talmud, there are some distinct features there and it included the life of Jesus which has some contradictins to the claims of Christians.
In Babylon they have a different story about Noah and his ark compared to the Old Testament based on Torah. I am not sure if those were changes or just different stories that transferred and/or translated by mouth through generations. You will find in Iraq at the moment, that they claim that the original book was written in Babylon and was just stolen by the Jews and made their own Book out of the contents of their story. The Catholics on the other hand are still being suspected of burning so many manuscript that does not conform to their written Testaments. Only time will tell on who is claiming the truth. I cannot support it with different dates but the great changes occured in the time of Constantinople and the succeeding years inside th Vatican.

Answer 4

There is little Historical proof that the Old Testament have been Changed; however, scholars have studied different manuscripts of the New Testament and slight changes have been noted.
It's easy to point out what the changes are; most bibles show footnotes on what was written in one manuscript compared to what was edited in another. For example, the last nine chapters in the gospel of St. Mark is not found in the earlier manuscripts.

Answer 5

I think the most basic corruption in the Old and New Testament is the story of Abraham.

If you read the original scripture it says "my only son".
Ishmael was the first and oldest son and Isaac was the younger one. In the Qur'an, Ishmael is the one offered to sacrifice but in the other books it is Isaac.

Why?
Because Ishmael became an "Arab" and Isaac is considered the father of the Israelites. Petty stuff like this has infiltrated the Torah and Ingel.

Only the Qur'an remains the same.

Answer 6

well
take the bibles that you have
read them
you will see for instance one is written on it the fifth edition
and you ll see some where that it was conducted
so this to a Muslim have some meaning
the Koran as it is written god says that he will preserve it
so you see now 1 500 000 000 Muslims with this amount almost of Koran
and you see all the same with no different word

Answer 7

There is so much historical proof, I dont know where to begin... However, you could simply go purchase several different copies of Bibles and compare them for yourself - they are all different, being different translations and different "interpretations" of scripture.

If you want historical proof, youre going to have to look for historical sources - avoid purely Christian sources, as they are biased in a way as to gloss over the truth. Dont beleive anything you read from a Christian source if the name Josephus of Eusebius are invovled - both are now well known to have lied, used fraudulent documents, and to have invented historical events...

Answer 8

thank you for asking. that's amazingly good question. contained throughout prophet Muhammad while the Qur'an replaced into being printed distinctive chapters of Qur'an have been being written down by way of individuals who could desire to study and write. many people who could desire to no longer study or write memorized them. The Qur'an replaced into nonetheless being printed so it replaced into no longer compiled mutually. while prophet Muhammad died the nonbelievers started killing people who had memorized and written down the Qur'an. the 1st Caliph had to maintain the Qur'an so he amassed countless chapters of Qur'an from people who had written them down and produced many copies of the completed Qur'an. Caliph Uthman later rearranged the verses yet did no longer replace the verses. on the instant the oldest surviving Qur'an and Qur'an on the instant are precisely the comparable. Qur'an has no longer replaced because of the fact it replaced into printed. Peace be with you.

Answer 9

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome
St. Jerome is a good start. He compiled what became the Vulgate, which is what the King James translation is a translation of.

Every translation is a change.

BTW: Why are Christians so lazy? Jews and Muslims learn their holy text in the original languages....why don't Christians?

Answer 10

the bible has been changed, every translaion is different and monks did the translations. But King James of England did order the bible rewritten, so i would assume that there would be copies that predate King James somewhere.