Are micro-evolution & macro-evolution inseperable?

Question

Definition of micro-evolution:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=49

If they are inseperable...give me EVIDENCE of this jump to macro & I will believe.

Edit 1- Lion of...
Excellent.

Others- I ask this question to try and bring some honesty to the discussion. I am trying to educate people to define their terms. I was actually ranked one of the top 2% on my ACTs in science...I know a bit about it.

Eidt 2- Acid Zeb
Why would they laugh when we talk about micro-evolution? It is a legit definition/difference.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=49

Edit 3- Acid Zeb
Hey thanks for your dialog. I have read my link & yours before. The thing I am trying to point out is "theory"-by the way even the definition is changing to fit evolution.
There is a jump from one to the other that cannot be observed. My point is to get people to admit that that jump does exist & to say macro is a FACT, is simply dishonest, or at least for now it is.
I don't see evidence by which that jump between the two can be made, only speculation & assumption.
For the record- I can neither find PROOF of creation, at least not in a scientific process sense.

Answer 1

given enough time, microevolution will effect change upon change, effectively creating 'macroevolution'. For me, there is no such thing. Just cumulative changes, and a REALLY long time. "gradual phenotypic change" is the name of the game, baby.

Answer 2

No all the creationists are doing is playing word games by playing with the definitions.

I still don't know what is meant by linking the words transitional and species. When it was first used it was in reference to feathered dinosaur fossil because they linked different genera. Now it seems like the creationists are trying to make it mean species crossing border lines between species. That is an obviously stupid concept. How can a separate species not be a separate species.

If they are asking about hybrids then the world is full of examples. Varieties and races of species abound. When they hit the point that they don't breed together anymore then it is a new species by definition.
Can you call a Quince a transitional species between apples and pears. Quince can fertilize apples, pears can fertilize quince. But quince only produce seed if it is a quince quince mating.
Yes macro-evolution is real, yes it can be demonstrated. All you need to do is look in a seed catalog. We have quite a few domestic species that have diverged enough from the parent stock to not be able to breed back to it and others that diverged enough that when the parent stock died out they could not be crossed to recover it. This is a common problem for orchard operators. Only certain types of apple fertilize each other. sometimes the only real reason they are separate species is that they flower at different times.

Sorry that this post is so late.

Answer 3

There are two major evidences that confront evolution:
1. Time: There isn't enough time for the small rodent like mammals left after the last extinguishing event to bring them to the size and variety of the mammals the roamed the earth during the last major ice age.
2. Viruses: have been known to man for approximately the last 200 years. During that time there have been billions of generations, yet never has a virus jumped species. Yes the have varied but they remain viruses..

Answer 4

The donkey/ horse/ mule is one good example. There are also spiders where the same male breeds with two different species of female.
Evolution is not an Atheistic consept. It is Gods method of creation.

Answer 5

Of course not -- the process exists, its just a matter of deciding whether it is the "be all and end all" (macro) or just a part of the larger system (micro)

Macro evolution cannot IMO answer the problem of the irreducible complexity of systems that could not have evolved from simpler systems

Answer 6

SCIENTIFIC PROBLEMS WITH MACROEVOLUTION:

(Karl Popper's definition of the scientific method )

1. OBSERVATION -steps of evolution have never been observed (Stebbins )

In the fossil recordwe view our data as so bad that we never see the very process we profess to study.(Gould )

2. EXPERIMENTATION -The processes would exceed the lifetime of any

human experimenter (Dobzhansky )

3. REPRODUCTION impossible to reproduce in the laboratory. (Dobshansky )

4. FALSIFICATION -cannot be refuted thus outside empirical science. (Ehrlich )



RESEARCH PROBLEMS WITH MACROEVOLUTION:

1. ORIGINS -the chance of life originating from inorganic chemical elements by natural means is beyond the realm of possibility (Hoyle )

2. DEVELOPMENT -to produce a new organism from an existing life-form requires alterations in the genetic material which are lethal to the organism (Maddox )

3. STASIS -enzymes in the cell nucleus repair errors in the DNA (Barton )

4. GEOLOGIC COLUMN -out-of-place artifacts have been found in earth's sedimentary layers which disrupt the supposed evolutionary order (Corliss )

5. DESIGN -irreducible complexity within the structure of the cell requires design (Denton, Behe ).


(DNA REPAIR: The genome is reproduced very faithfully and there are enzymes

which repair the DNA, where errors have been made or when the DNA is

damaged. - D.H.R. Barton, Professor of Chemistry, Texas A&M University,

Nobel Prize for Chemistry )


(CHANGE WITHIN GENETIC BOUNDARIES: Microevolution does not lead beyond the confines of the species, and the typical products of microevolution,

the geographic races, are not incipient species. There is no such category as

incipient species. Richard B. Goldschmidt )


(MUTATION ACCUMULATIONS RELENTLESSLY FATAL: Any random change

in a complex, specific, functioning system wrecks that system. And living things

are the most complex functioning systems in the universe.Science has now

quantitated that a genetic mutation of as little as 1 billionth (0.0000001%) of an

animal's genome is relentlessly fatal.The genetic difference between human and

his nearest relative, the chimpanzee, is at least 1.6% Calculated out that is a

gap of at least 48 million nucleotide differences that must be bridged by random

changes. And a random change of only 3 nucleotides is fatal to an animal.

Geneticist Barney Maddox, 1992 )

Answer 7

I think they are separable. Micro-evolution can be seen and observed. It is most easily observed in bacteria and viruses.

Macro-evolution has yet to be seen or observed taking place. The changes we have seen in bacteria have not created new species of bacteria.

Answer 8

No, and you will not get many academics or dumbed-down college kids to admit it,Why? Because their faith in scientism,secular humanism,and official history is as strong as any religion.

Answer 9

There is no evidence that macro evolution can even happen, we have not observed it or anything even close, evolution is a poor theory if you can even call it that it's more of a model.

Answer 10

So what exactly is the mechanism that prevents small changes from accumulating to a big change? Magic again?