5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
2007-03-14 06:45:39
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answered by Royal Racer Hell=Grave © 7
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Go to this link:
http://www.carm.org/atheism/christianmistakes.htm
God is a trinity of persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son; the Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit is not the same person as Father. They are not three gods and not three beings. They are three distinct persons; yet, they are all the one God. Each has a will, can speak, can love, etc., and these are demonstrations of personhood. They are in absolute perfect harmony consisting of one substance. They are coeternal, coequal, and copowerful. If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God. (See also, "Another Look at the Trinity")
Jesus, the Son, is one person with two natures: Divine and Human. This is called the Hypostatic Union. The Holy Spirit is also divine in nature and is self aware, the third person of the Trinity.
There is, though, an apparent separation of some functions among the members of the Godhead. For example, the Father chooses who will be saved (Eph. 1:4); the Son redeems them (Eph. 1:7); and the Holy Spirit seals them, (Eph. 1:13).
A further point of clarification is that God is not one person, the Father, with Jesus as a creation and the Holy Spirit is a force (Jehovah's Witnesses). Neither is He one person who took three consecutive forms, i.e., the Father, became the Son, who became the Holy Spirit. Nor is God the divine nature of the Son (where Jesus had a human nature perceived as the Son and a divine nature perceived as the Father (Oneness theology). Nor is the Trinity an office held by three separate Gods (Mormonism).
The word "person" is used to describe the three members of the Godhead because the word "person" is appropriate. A person is self aware, can speak, love, hate, say "you," "yours," "me," "mine," etc. Each of the three persons in the Trinity demonstrate these qualities.
The chart below should help you to see how the doctrine of the Trinity is systematically derived from Scripture. The list is not exhaustive, only illustrative.
The first step is to establish the biblical doctrine that there is only one God. Then, you find that each of the persons is called God, each creates, each was involved in Jesus' resurrection, each indwells, etc. Therefore, God is one, but the one God is in three simultaneous persons. Please note that the idea of a composite unity is not a foreign concept to the Bible; after all, man and wife are said to be one flesh. The idea of a composite unity of persons is spoken of by God in Genesis (Gen. 2:24).
There is only one God
The first step is to establish how many Gods exist: one! Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5,14,18,21,22; 46:9; 47:8; John 17:3; 1 Cor. 8:5-6; Gal. 4:8-9
"I am the LORD, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God" (Isaiah 45:5).
“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me," (Isaiah 44:6).
"I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God, (Isaiah 55:5).
The Trinity
FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT
Called God Phil. 1:2 John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9 Acts 5:3-4
Creator Isaiah 64:8 John 1:3; Col. 1:15-17 Job 33:4, 26:13
Resurrects 1 Thess. 1:10 John 2:19, 10:17 Rom. 8:11
Indwells 2 Cor. 6:16 Col. 1:27 John 14:17
Everywhere 1 Kings 8:27 Matt. 28:20 Psalm 139:7-10
All knowing 1 John 3:20 John 16:30; 21:17 1 Cor. 2:10-11
Sanctifies 1 Thess. 5:23 Heb. 2:11 1 Pet. 1:2
Life giver Gen. 2:7: John 5:21 John 1:3; 5:21 2 Cor. 3:6,8
Fellowship 1 John 1:3 1 Cor. 1:9 2 Cor. 13:14; Phil. 2:1
Eternal Psalm 90:2 Micah 5:1-2 Rom. 8:11; Heb. 9:14
A Will Luke 22:42 Luke 22:42 1 Cor. 12:11
Speaks Matt. 3:17; Luke 9:25 Luke 5:20; 7:48 Acts 8:29; 11:12; 13:2
Love John 3:16 Eph. 5:25 Rom. 15:30
Searches the heart Jer. 17:10 Rev. 2:23 1 Cor. 2:10
We belong to John 17:9 John 17:6 . . .
Savior
1 Tim. 1:1; 2:3; 4:10 2 Tim. 1:10; Titus 1:4; 3:6 . . .
We serve Matt. 4:10 Col. 3:24 . . .
Believe in John 14:1 John 14:1 . . .
Gives joy . . .
John 15:11 John 14:7
Judges John 8:50 John 5:21,30 . . .
Therefore, the doctrine of the Trinity is arrived at by looking at the whole of scripture, not in a single verse. It is the doctrine that there is only one God, not three, and that the one God exists in three persons: Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. An analogy would be time. Time is past, present, and future. But, there are not three times, only one.
2007-03-14 13:46:43
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answered by Anonymous
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The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, but there is evidence of the Trinity in the scriptures. When Jesus Christ was baptized in the River Jordan, the Father said, "This is my beloved Son of whom I am well pleased", and the Spirit, in the form of a dove, descended and and made himself present as well. There is even evidence of the Trinity in the Old Testament, when Abraham showed hospitality to the three angels. In Genesis, when God created the world, he used the plural. The Trinity is and has always been.
There is no conflict with the Old Testament assertion that God is One and Indivisible. The Trinity, God, is One God in Three Persons and indivisible.
2007-03-14 13:55:16
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answered by gossamer 4
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Here is an analogy that may explain what Jesus meant when He spoke on different opportunities of the relation between Him, His Father and the Holy Spirit.
Consider the sun and a perfectly polished, pure mirror looking at the sun. The sun represents God, the pure mirror reflecting the rays of the sun the "manifestation of God" in this case Jesus and the rays of the sun coming from the sun and reflected in the mirror the Holy Spirit.
If the mirror says that the sun is in me, it is absolutely correct. But if the mirror says that the sun is mightier that me and has a knowledge that I do not possess it is also correct. Because the mirror is just reflecting the rays of the sun.
If the mirror says that who has seen me has seen the sun, it is also correct because the sun is reflected inside the mirror. However the sun is not physically inside the mirror.
If you look at all the passages where Jesus mentions His relation to the Father and the Holy Spirit you will find that this analogy stands true. Best of all it is not necessary to make a dogma to explain it.
2007-03-15 21:17:45
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answered by apicole 4
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Yes there is Scriptural basis. That is why Jesus told the Apostles baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. The best way to describe the trinity is the way St. Patrick used. The Shamrock it has a stem and from that stem the different petals. The Stem means One God the petals mean in three different persons Father Son and Holy Spirit. Even though there is one stem there are three forms that spring from it.
2007-03-14 14:15:00
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answered by The Teacher 2
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The New Testament definitely shows a Father God, his son Jesus, and The holy Spirit which appeared at Pentecost.
According to a 'Holy Trinity' projected by fundamental Christians, the father, the son and the spirit each holds the same status as 'God'; this concept is impossible to understand..it's a thing of faith without reason.
Personally, I believe in a father God, his son Jesus and a spirit of esteem love between the father and the son...it's not that I condemn the fundamental concept; I just don't understand it.
2007-03-14 13:59:28
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answered by gnostic 4
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To answer this question we need to know when it arose. The answer is: not till 300-400 years after the days of Jesus and his apostles. It is a striking fact that the "early Church Fathers" -- the theologians who wrote in the period 100-300 A.D. -- knew nothing of it, and frequently uttered opinions which contradict it. For the majority of them there was no question of Jesus' being "co-equal and co-eternal with the Father". He was subordinate to God his Father, and was regarded as a "created Being". The teachings which now make up the Doctrine of the Trinity were the decisions of a number of general Church Councils. These are the most significant:
325 A.D. First General Council at Nicea, declared that the Son was from the beginning of the same nature as the Father.
381 A.D. Second General Council at Constantinople, declared that the Holy Spirit was to be worshipped with the Father and the Son.
431 A.D. Third General Council at Ephesus, decreed that Jesus had two natures, a human and a divine; also that Mary was the "mother of God", in opposition to those who maintained that she was the "mother of Christ".
451 A.D.
Fifth General Council at Chalcedon, decreed that the two natures in Christ constituted only one Person and one will.
2007-03-14 13:48:55
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answered by Justsyd 7
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No there isn't. Belief in trinities predates christianity and it didn't make it's way into the christian doctrine until 3 or 4 hundred years after Jesus' death.
Read the Gospels through and you'll see that they are full of instances where Jesus expressed his Father's superiority to himself. Most outstanding is Jesus' heartfelt prayer the night before his execution which you can read at John 17. In that we have Jesus making supplication to his Father for the disciples he would leave behind, among other things. And more importantly if Jesus is GOD, who was he praying to?
Scriptures where Jesus said things like "I and the father are one" do not support the trinity. First of all it's talking about TWO people not three. Jesus was talking about unity of thought and purpose. "He who has seen the father has seen me also?" That's kind of like saying like Father... like Son.
That said, it's important to know that the definition of "Trinity" can vary from church to church. Not all who believe in it see it the same way.
2007-03-14 13:47:50
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answered by Q&A Queen 7
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There is no scriptural basis for the Trinity. It says in Corinthians that God is not the author of confusion, yet the trinity does not make logical sense.
The trinity was not common belief until the council of Nicaea (thus the trinity is called the Nicene creed). After the council of Nicaea (or Nicea) the Nicene Cristians persecuted the ones who did not believe in the trinity.
There are also Christian groups who do not believe in the trinity.
2007-03-14 13:49:04
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answered by Mud 2
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1) No. Every single Bible verse that is used as proof for the trinity, even after the Bible's tremendous distortion, can be interpreted otherwise.
An example would a common unclear verse quoted by many christians to support the trinity:
30I and the Father are one." John 10:30
All the while ignoring verses such as:
My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me. [John 17:20-24]
If Jesus being one with God is how the trinitarians interpret it, then according to their logic every believer would be God as well!
2) Yes. The Old Testament states there is none like God, and that God is not a man or the son of man.
2007-03-14 14:01:34
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answered by ? 3
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The Lord Jesus said to His disciples, "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." (Matthew 28:19) Monotheism is clear in His words, "baptising them in the name." He did not say "baptising them in the names of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit."
The apostle John very clearly confirms this understanding: "Those who testify in heaven are three, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit and these three are one." (I John 5:8)
Genesis 1:26 - Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness
Genesis 11:7 - Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech
Please also note the names of God.... Elohim is what Moses called God... this is a singular plural word..... so is Adonai, the name David called God.
God is one. All Christians and Jews believe in one God. The God of Jacob. YHWY. God Almighty, the I AM. You may ask and see for yourself how many Gods we have. Just one God. Muslims have this misconception and it is seen as their ignorance.
2007-03-14 13:56:13
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answered by Ms DeeAnn 5
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