Whoa! Since WHEN is macro-evolution a fact & testable?

Question

Talk about propaganda! Even the fathers of evolution would disagree with you (Darwin, Sagan, Dawkins). Sounds like you have thrown the scientific process to the wind for your philosophy of life. Jeeze!

Edit 1- Dez_Ire
Rude? Fine. This is just rediculous that people answer questions throwing in proaganda they KNOW is false.

Edit 2- Creatrix
No, this is a scientific term (check out www.wikipedia.com or any major university.
Here is the University of Berkley's site: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=49

Edit 3-Magpix
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=49

Edit 4-Hot Carl...
Hey, thanks for getting back to me. I will keep this in mind. However, in these two terms I use this site to define them:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=49
Although Wikipedia is good too.
In your post, this seems to be more micro-evolution (within it's kind).

Edit 5- VLR
Yes, I know micro-evolution is a fact! It is testable. We have no disagreement here.

Answer 1

Since mirco evolution is fact and testable.


Why don't you **** yourself with a rusty screwdriver you fool?

Answer 2

Darwin? We have come a long way, and made a few adjustments to the premises of macro-evolution since Darwin's time. We now have countless transitional forms of many species, and evidence in every scientific field.

I think you are a bit confused. Evolutionists, or scientists to be more simplistic as almost all scientists recognize evolution, have always been truthful about what still needs to be discovered about the mechanisms (theory) of evolution (fact).

Micro-evolution is hardly studied, it does not require extensive study.

As the guy below me said, there really isn't a micro or macro evolution, those are terms made by those with an agenda who have already closed their mind to facts.

Answer 3

Er, why did you think we wouldn't notice that you're lying?

Don't you think your side would do better if you stopped lying about these things? It's not like you're getting away with it - these aren't exactly well-hidden lies you're telling, as the alt.talk.origins site reveals. Heck, even the site you're posting links to has it correct:

"Despite their differences, evolution at both of these levels relies on the same, established mechanisms of evolutionary change".

Once you accept "micro" evolution, you've accepted evolution. Once you've accepted that the mechanisms exist to change the characteristics of populations of organisms over time, you're all the way there. You don't need to also have a separate explanation of why we start to call those organisms by new names - that's a matter of nomenclature, not biology.

Answer 4

There is no difference between "micro-evolution" and "macro-evolution." These are creationist terms, one describing the step, the other describing the staircase.

Edit:
Okay - maybe they are not Creationist terms perse. HOWEVER, to quote from the link you gave me:

Microevolution happens on a small scale (within a single population), while macroevolution happens on a scale that transcends the boundaries of a single species. Despite their differences, evolution at both of these levels relies on the same, established mechanisms of evolutionary change.

Answer 5

See HIV. Evolved from SIV. Shown by genetics.

Unless, of course, you expect to be standing there watching when such a mutation occurs. If that's your criteria, then you've set an impossible criterion of truth. Bizzare coming from someone that believes in an all powerful, invisible diety who has no unambiguous evidence to demonstrate it's existence.

Answer 6

It's observable through the fossil record, inference. And it has been demonstrated in insects as well. Speciation (macroevolution) occurs when 2 separated populations meet and have undergone enough microevolution to have created pre and/or post zygotic barriers.

Answer 7

Observed evolution on a species level:

Answer 8

There's no such thing as "macroevolution" or "microevolution"--there's just evolution.

Macroevolution is a myth invented by Creationists to allow them to accept the benefits of evolution (like innoculation) without admitting that evolution is real.

Answer 9

You need to go take some science classes. When you've done that, come back and we'll talk because you're never ever going to find the answers you want on evolution by coming to some web board and expecting to get them. You have to actually learn about it or you won't even understand the explanation you're given anyway.

You have no one to blame for your ignorance but yourself if you're unwilling to learn.

Answer 10

what are you talking about? do you even know? Did Sagan evolve to suddenly be a father of evolution? I didn't get the memo.