Do the Jews ever present "proof" for their religion? Christians had the shroud, a piece of wood and stigmata..

Question

What do the Jews typically present as evidence?

Answer 1

They do not present evidence to non-Jews because they do not proselytize, but to fellow Jews, they do present evidence, and they have quite a lot of things they present as evidence.

Here are just a few:
1. An argument about national revelation. The argument basically says that you can't get a nation to believe that the whole nation experienced a revelation if it never happened.

2. Fulfilled Prophecy, including the founding of Israel.

3. The fact of Jewish survival against the odds is often pointed to as evidence.

4. The Torah Codes (many Jews oppose presenting this as evidence).

5. Facts from the Torah and Talmud that supposedly no one could have known back then. An example is the length of the solar year, calculated out to quite a few decimals, which matches the recent NASA calculations.

A good essay is by Rabbi Dr. Dovid Gottlieb called "Living Up to the Truth" found at http://ohr.edu/yhiy/article.php/992

The Discovery Seminar is presented in major Jewish cities all around the world, and tries to offer evidence. I attended one of these, and in addition to the things I've already mentioned, they present an interesting argument about the book of Esther having facts about the Holocaust in it. This seminar is hosted by Aish Hatorah, and their website is at http://www.aish.com

This page has some articles taken from the seminar:
http://www.aish.com/search/aish_search.asp?SearchString=discovery&Action=Go&submit1.x=40&submit1.y=3

Answer 2

The " proof " that you show is certainly anything but proof. For one thing, the shroud seems to be some kind of covering for a body. Many many millions of people have died through the centuries. How can you tell which one was wrapped up in the shroud ?
Wood is wood. I've spent years in the carpenter business.If someone told me that any tiny scrap of wood was from a cross two thousand years old, he would have a lot of proving to do. The chance of it being what is claimed is one in billions.
I can't comment on that stigmata thing because I don't know what stigma you're refering to.
Not being Jewish, I won't say anything about their evidence, but I don't believe they have any more real evidence that you do.

Answer 3

There is no need for proof. Judaism works without miracles and such because it is simply about improving life here on earth for all of God's creatures. Christians require proof because they claim to know exactly what happens to whom in the afterlife. Jews believe that God will judge us according to our actions, not our beliefs. All of God's children will be judged fairly regardless of race, religion, ethnicity, etc. Anyone who leads a moral/ethical life will have a share in the world to come.

If you insist on proof, the entire Tanach would be our proof. It was given to us at Sinai. Biblical archealogy scholars are finding proof of many stories of the Bible, but other than that, there is nothing to prove.
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Answer 4

No, they don't. But the Jews that I know personally and have studied with, don't claim the stories in the Old Test are Absolute Truth. They are stories with morals in them to help teach other people how to be one of "God's Chosen"... which doesn't mean one has to become a Jew to do (in the complete religious sense). They're also one of the few groups, religious wise, that don't try to convert.

Answer 5

The existence of creation usually, but Jews doin't tend to need to provide proof as they don't aim to convert. The religion just passes down the genearations., they feel no need to justify it to outsiders.

Stigmata isn't exactly proof. Anyone can cut their palms. And wood from the Cross, even if it is genuine, doesn't prove Jesus' divinity.

Answer 6

Persecution

Answer 7

You keep getting christian and catholic mixed up, WHY?
It is the Catholics that have the shroud and the stigmata. Only Catholics. You got it now?????

Answer 8

Jews typically do not go there. Faith is a very Christian term.

Answer 9

How about history? Torah, Mishnah? Hebrew Bible?

Answer 10

There is one God, the God of Israel.

(Scriptures below).

Isa.44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God (Isa.45:5 below).

Isa.45:5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me (Isa.44:6 above); I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Ex.29:45 And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God (Isa.44:6, Isa.45:5 above).

Jer.31:1 At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel (Ex.29:45 above), and they shall be my people.

Ps.41:13 Blessed [be] the LORD God of Israel (Jer.31:1 above) from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen.

Lev.25:55 For unto me the children of Israel [are] servants; they [are] my servants whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: I [am] the LORD your God (Ps.41:13 above).

Deut.10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,

Josh.10:42 And all these kings and their land did Joshua take at one time, because the LORD God of Israel fought for Israel.

Judges 5:3 Hear, O ye kings; give ear, O ye princes; I, [even] I, will sing unto the LORD; I will sing [praise] to the LORD God of Israel.

2 Sam.12:7 And Nathan said to David, Thou [art] the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;

1 Kings 8:17 And it was in the heart of David my father to build an house for the name of the LORD God of Israel.

2 Kings 18:5 He trusted in the LORD God of Israel; so that after him was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor [any] that were before him.

1 Chron.15:14 So the priests and the Levites sanctified themselves to bring up the ark of the LORD God of Israel.

2 Chron.6:7 Now it was in the heart of David my father to build an house for the name of the LORD God of Israel.

Ezra 7:5 And to carry the silver and gold, which the king and his counsellors have freely offered unto the God of Israel, whose habitation [is] in Jerusalem,

Joel 2:27 And ye shall know that I [am] in the midst of Israel, and [that] I [am] the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

Matt.15:31 Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified the God of Israel (Lk.1:68 below).

Mk.12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.

Lk.1:68 Blessed [be] the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people (Mk.12:29 above),

Jn.1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel (Lk.1:68 above).

Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 10:36 The word which [God] sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:).

Gal.6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Eph.2:12 That at that time ye (Gentiles – 1 Cor.10:32) were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Heb.8:10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:


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