What was the name of the person who's image is on the "TURIN SHROUD"?

Question

The famous shroud that some feel was the image of CHRIST, has been found to belong to someone from the Knights Templar.

Answer 1

Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas (1997) claim that the image on the shroud is that of Jacques de Molay, the last Grand Master of the Order of the Knights Templar, arrested for heresy at the Paris Temple by Philip IV of France on October 13, 1307. De Molay suffered torture under the auspices of the Chief Inquisitor of France, William Imbert. His arms and legs were nailed, possibly to a large wooden door. According to Knight and Lomas, after the torture de Molay was laid on a piece of cloth on a soft bed; the excess section of the cloth was lifted over his head to cover his front and he was left, perhaps in a coma, for perhaps 30 hours. They claim that the use of a shroud is explained by the Paris Temple keeping shrouds for ceremonial purposes.

De Molay survived the torture but was burned at the stake on March 19, 1314 together with Geoffroy de Charney, Templar preceptor of Normandy. de Charney's grandson was Jean de Charney who died at the battle of Poitiers. After his death, his widow, Jeanne de Vergy, purportedly found the shroud in his possession and had it displayed at a church in Lirey.

Knight and Lomas base their argument partly on the 1988 radiocarbon dating and Mills 1995 research about a chemical reaction called auto-oxidation, and they claim that their theory accords with the factors known about the creation of the shroud and the carbon dating results. The counter argument is that the Templars acquired the shroud upon one of the crusades (whilst looting), and brought it to France where it remained a secret until Jean de Charney died.

Cheers!

Simon Templar

Edit.

I hope that it will be appreciated that I am merely answering the Question asked and not opining on the subject. People are welcome to conclude what they wish.

Answer 2

The shroud, measuring 14 ft, 4 inches by using 3 ft, 7 inches has been Carbon dated in tests by using laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and Arizona as relationship from between 1260 and 1390. This has not been discredited and stands as authentic! Shrouds on the time of Jesus have been 2 or 3 products and no checklist of a single piece shroud has been discovered! the fabric of shrouds of the time have been an situation-loose single weave. The Turin shroud is a lots greater suitable state-of-the-paintings double weave not discovered until now the middle a together as! The shroud replaced into particularly replicated using aspects discovered to have been utilized by using Leonardo da Vinci who's known to have been the faker! As Christianity's optimal disputed relics, it extremely is locked away at Turin Cathedral in Italy and larger tests have been refused. If it replaced into particularly why refuse attempt that could desire to be sure that?! The Catholic Church does not declare the shroud is particularly nor that it extremely is a controversy of religion, yet says it is going to be a useful reminder of Christ's interest. people who declare it extremely is particularly tie it so heavily to Christianity that as further and larger information shows it to be a forgery and a hoax it extremely is how Christianity would be seen!

Answer 3

Solar masking, or "shadow theory"
In March 2005 Nathan Wilson, an instructor at New Saint Andrews College and amateur sindonologist, announced in an informal article in Books and Culture magazine that he had made a near-duplicate of the shroud image by exposing dark linen to the sun for ten days under a sheet of glass on which a positive mask had been painted. His method, though admittedly crude and preliminary, has nonetheless attracted the attention of several sindonologists, notably the late Dr. Raymond Rogers of the original STURP team, and Dr. Antonio Lombatti, founder of the sceptical shroud journal Approfondimento Sindone. Wilson's method is notable because it does not require any conjectures about unknown medieval technologies, and is compatible with claims that there is no pigment on the cloth.

Using a Bas-Relief
Another theory suggests that the Shroud may have been formed using a bas-relief sculpture. Researcher Jacques di Costanzo, noting that the Shroud image seems to have a three-dimensional quality, suggested that perhaps the image was formed using an actual three-dimensional object, like a sculpture. While wrapping a cloth around full life-sized statue would result in a distorted image, placing a cloth over a bas-relief would result in an image like the one seen on the shroud. To demonstrate the plausibility of his theory, Constanzo constructed a bas-relief of a Jesus-like face and draped wet linen over the bas-relief. After the linen dried, he dabbed it with ferric oxide and gelatine mixture. The result was an image similar to that of the Shroud. Similar results have been obtained by author Joe Nickell. Instead of painting, the bas-relief could also be heated and used to burn an image into the cloth

Radiocarbon dating under typical conditions is a highly accurate science, and for materials up to 2000 years old can often produce dating to within one year of the correct age.

But you will never convince everyone.. I bet you can still find christians that belive the world is only about 6000 years old and that the sun is a big burning chunk of coal that moves around the flat earth.

"Seven" is a good example of this.

You keep saying there is no evidence anywhere on the shroud. Exactly who (besides the church) has had a chance to do a comprehensive study on the “hole” shroud?

If you have this info I would like to where I can find it.

If the shroud isn’t a hoax why won’t the church allow any further examination? That in itself is enough to convince me it a fake.

Answer 4

I cant say but if its medieval it still leaves a load of questions how was it done ? the image is a perfect photographic negative the wounds are accurate as are the blood flows and also the the nail wounds are on the wrists which no other image at that time showed always in the palm and we now know it would be the wrists because of the weight. So if the carbon date is correct the person behind it was a genius.

Answer 5

I've come to realize that the vast majority of people are grossly out-of-touch when it comes to the facts regarding the Shroud.

1) The Carbon Dating sample that was previously done was
shown to be inaccurate and flawed.
2) The various theories on how the shroud could have been forged are not credible and border on the absurd (e.g. the one "Simon" has posted above)
3) The image formation can still not be replicated with 21st century technology.
4) Their are several other indicators that point to a 1st century origin.

Note to poster below: The "Camera Obscura"/Leonardo theory is ridiculous as well. 1) the Shroud of Turin predates Leonardo 2) the proposed processis incapable of producing a 3D image 3) the process would necessitate a chemical substance (a photographic emulsion)...there is no evidence of that anywhere on the Shroud.

http://www.shroudofturin4journalists.com

In answer to your question: it doesn't affect my faith one iota either way -- but, until someone can prove otherwise, I believe that the evidence shows that the "photo", bloodstains, etc are those of Jesus Christ...

Note on "sheet of glass" theory/comment: Ya, right. Study the history of glass making. So, how did that 14th century forger obtain that 8 foot sheet of glass...?

Response to "Melanie": I just noticed the "shot" you fired at me before logging off. I guess you got me all figured out in one posting, huh?!

First, The accuracy of radio carbon dating,in itself, has absolutely nothing to do with my comments. The samples that were used in 1988 were proven to be flawed via Raymond Rogers in 2005. Rogers is far from a "Christian zealot", and his findings were documented in the peer reviewed Thermochimica Acta.

Secondly, no I do not believe the earth is 6,000 years old, etc... If it makes you feel better to attempt a debunking of my comments via stereotype, go for it. Personally, I prefer logic...

Thirdly, you asked who has studied the shroud outside the church....including some statement about "not allowing further examination" (suggesting that there is something trying to be hidden). Those comment alone illustrates how extremely unqualified you are to even post commentary on this topic. I would suggest further research...and I had provided one link above.

Answer 6

It's not Jacques do Molay any more than it's Jesus. But the timeline is certainly closer with Jacques.

Whose theory was that? Was it Baigent & Lodge? I can't remember. But it was a flawed argument in that book. Just because lactic acidosis could produce the image - which I am not at all convince4d of - doesn't mean that it's de Moaly. It could have been any victim of the violence that was the 14th century.

Answer 7

there are some scholars and investigators who think the face on the shroud is none other than leonardo davinci's...he was said to have been experimenting with early photographic materials and did this as a sort of joke. and, as the book 'holy blood, holy grail' tells us, davinci was once a grand master of the knights templar... makes sense to me.

Answer 8

Judah's face was on the "Shroud of Turin"

Answer 9

We'll never know.

It's possible that it was De Molay, but it's just as likely to have been another knight who had been tortured to death, whether by the Inquisition or the Saracens.

Answer 10

Sir Robyn