Divine irony?

Question

Sweet, sweet irony of the (some) theists.

They insist that there is God because atheists don't know everything about the universe and there are a couple of unexplained things, how can they be certain that there is God?

At the same time, these are the same people that reject evolution just because it has "never" been observed, or perhaps they lack the ability to comprehend an event that requires a long period of time.


So basicly the irony is that these people claim atheists do not have a larger scope on things to comprehend God but at the same time they don't have the larger scope on things to comprehend evolution.

:P

Answer 1

Well I believe if there is evolution its Gods evolution, his timing is not our timing. You act like you are angry. I can be certain there is a God, can you be certain there is not one?

Let me put it to you like this. If I go through this life believing in a God and I am wrong I have lost nothing, according to you I just die and turn to dust. But what if I'm right and your wrong. What if there is a God? What if there is an after life? What if there is a heaven and a hell? Then you have lost eternal life. So I have nothing to lose by my faith but you have eternal salvation to lose by your lack of it.

Answer 2

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Theists in general do not think that God is *proven* scientifically, and "believe" on faith, and their own sort of reasoning as to the nature of things. where in some cases pro-evolution atheists act as though they only believe in things that have been scientifically proven.

>>"At the same time, these are the same people that reject evolution just because it has "never" been observed, or perhaps they lack the ability to comprehend an event that requires a long period of time."<<

well, microevolution *has* been observed.... and its simply expanded, with a minor jump in reasoning, that this micro-scale development would actually work on the scale of developing entire massive scale organisms from one form into an entirely different form, given enough time.

now, I personally feel that Guided Evolution is the most reasonable solution, which, as I believe it, basically has "God" utilizing evolution as the primary means by which to cause existance to come into the state it is. helping it along on the spots where evolution/science alone leaves caps of rationality.

Evolution as an origin concept is no more or less provable or inherently rational/irrational than a "God" initiated origin scenario.

what I find particularly amusing is actually the reverse, how pro-evolution-atheists have no issue beliving that the matter and energy of all that is, simply was always there, and did not need to be "created" yet see the idea of an equally "just there" awareness.

Answer 3

And the question is.....? Oh, I see. There is no question.

First off, I agree with you. If a few unexplained things is your reason for believing in God, that is far from being CERTAIN, which so many theists claim to be. But wait! For every theist that is certain there's a god, there are two atheists that are certain there is not. So who is in the less respectable position? The theists for including supernatural powers in their beliefs? Hardly.

As far as evolution, I'm not a Christian, but I do side with them on this. I won't get too deep into the reasons, but admittedly, it is true there have been no observed examples of evolution, and evolution, therefore, remains a theory. Further, the theory itself has some serious unexplained holes, which to me makes it a weak scientific theory. My opinion is that the theory is so popular because it is actually the best theory we've got as to the origin of man. To say that "theists lack the ability to comprehend [evolution]" is as ridiculous as "athiests lack the ability to comprehend God." Saying that your oposition is stupid is the sure sign of a weak argument. Both theists and atheists should be above that, but as they are both made up of humans, I accept it as nature. Try to be above that in the future.

I do not lack the ability to comprehend an event that requires a long period of time. I do lack the ability to comprehend the beginning of physical material starting at the "big bang", which is truly a laughable joke to me, as it should be to any science minded people. There was nothing, and then BANG it was there? That's honestly the theory? Very weak. I would say it's more of a stretch to believe that without a supernatural power. My point is, I don't believe in evolution, and I am no dummy. I've put a lot of thought into the subject. I am sure I have the ability comprehend the theory, but I choose not to believe it.

And again, with your last paragraph, I agree that Christians(some) insist that people have open minds so they can learn about God, but they are some of the most closed minded people of all. And to believe in God, in my opinion, does take a leap of faith, as it does to beileve in evolution, and it truly is not fair for Christians to look down upon athiests for taking the leap of faith towards atheism, just like Christians took the leap of faith towards theism. I do think that many Christians have a few hypocrisies(sp?).

The problem with your little essay, though, is that Christians and atheists alike have hypocrisies. It's not Christians that are imperfect. It's people! Stop picking on the Christians.

Answer 4

No, what evolutionists don't have a scope on is the truth. They reject evidence that doesn't fit in the scope of the thing they believe.

edit:

Even a stopped watch is right twice a day.

Answer 5

Yes, that is one of the ironies in that claim.
One more is that the definition of their God as omnipresent means the clever argument of theirs turns into a proof of no God by definition.
If God is absent anywhere, then God must be absent everywhere.

Answer 6

friend, evolution is contrary to the word of God.. There is no way you can say that you believe the authority of the bible and still believe in evolution.

LOTS of people say they believe in God and believe in evolution. big deal. Lots of so-called Christians along with most other "faiths".

The dividing line is whether or not someone believes the bible is the authoritative word of God.

god bless

Answer 7

Yup. They don't believe in evolution cause they can't "see" it happen. Yet they believe in god, whom they cannot "see" at all. At least we can see fossils.

Answer 8

well thought out. an open mind is a powerful thing

Answer 9

That sounds about right.

Answer 10

Arrogance is another way of putting it.