1- the thieves were there before him, and they must have been there for some time, i dont think they really were in a very "talkative" mood.
2- jesus cross was much higher than the thieves ones, since tall crosses were used for "important" criminals to show their deaths as an example to others. Minor criminal´s crosses were much shorter so that animals could devour the body of the victims...So with such a difference in height how did they talk, shouting??? did they really feel like shouting just to mock someone who was in their same situation???
on next posts i will explain jesus miracles under the light of logic and science
2007-03-13 16:29:24 · 9 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
The crucifixion of Jesus was unknown among the early church as late as the end of the second century. This was close to 176 years after the church would like us to believe the brutal end of its God occurred. It must be immediately pointed out that the modern church admitted the records of Bishop Irenaues (d.202) created a serious problem. They said of him: “Although of crucial importance in the development of the church’s theology. Irenaeus presents problems of considerable difficulty in regard to details about Jesus Christ”. Irenaeus is fondly described by the church hierarchy as the “depositary of primitive truth”, but he denied a virgin birth, and never mentioned a trial of Jesus Christ, said nothing of a crucifixion or resurrection and claimed Jesus declined towards old age
2007-03-16 14:30:30 · answer #1 · answered by Boston Bluefish 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
How is it possible?
Nothing Jesus ever said or did was off hand or ad-lib. Everything he said or did was for a specific reason.
It was prophesied that Jesus would be “numbered with the transgressors” Isaiah 53:12
The story of the two thieves or the two “transgressors” is there to teach you a lesson.
Luke 23:39-41
The lesson is this. We are ALL the two thieves.
At the end of our lives each and every one of us will become just like the thieves on the cross and like the thieves we are genuinely guilty. We will have reached the end of our natural lives and we won’t be getting down off that cross alive. At this point if not before, we will need to make a decision. The decision that we make means all the difference to our salvation.
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" 1st Cr 15:1-4
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16
"Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." 1st Cr 1:20-21
2007-03-14 08:52:18 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Have you read the account. Jesus didn't say that much; but even so the reality of crucifixion is that a person is conscious while suffering excruciating pain. I am sure it must have been painful to speak, but he was able to speak. I think you are making too much of the distance between the crosses. Jesus also spoke to people on the ground, probably even a few feet greater in distance than from the other two crosses.
2007-03-13 16:37:53 · answer #3 · answered by Javance 2 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Christ was nailed to the cross and the thieves were bound with rope to the cross. After time, the pain leaves and numbness takes over. Other senses become accute as you wait for death to come.
The crowd fell silient as Christ spoke. All near could hear as He spoke with all the energy he had left. The thieves responded with emotion as they felt life slowly leaving them.
Logic and science will never replace faith. Faith is much older and has never been proven wrong.
In my life I have seen many "logical" people when dieing ask that God forgive them for their sins. Kind of funny how when they were healthy, they were full of "logic" but before dieing became full of "faith".
Remember that when you hour comes..........................................
2007-03-13 19:38:02 · answer #4 · answered by Moi 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
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2016-12-19 04:56:22 · answer #5 · answered by apollon 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
~Watch Monty Python's "The Life of Brian." It'll all be clear to you.
2007-03-13 16:33:57 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
Your legalism is showing :)
2007-03-13 16:35:51 · answer #7 · answered by arewethereyet 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
What did you think he'd do? Go bowling?
2007-03-13 16:34:06 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
It's called telepathy. DUH! ;p
2007-03-13 16:34:48 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋