why everyone assumes that jesus DIED in the cross??? Where is the evidence?? maybe he was just unconscious?

Question

nothing through side is lethal on itself

can a corpse bleed for three days????

so if you couldnt recognize him how people know it was him ???

oh my people in here dont have any idea of anything...if you insert soemthing in your body and you dont take it off it may be possible to contain the blood and it may be possible not to suffer a lethal loss of blood...are you so ignorant just on purpose or what????

kenz read your bible...when he was at the cross he shouted or something and the sun was darkened!!!!

yes bobby s i think jesus existed but only a man and throughout history there are not so many people who died and resurrected.
myths come from "out of the ordinary" events not really from unexplainable events. Maybe nowadays some people think he is god just because he suffered from catalepsia and didnt really died...

why are people so unlogical...think of the cross and the direction a spear would pierce...if it was too high the spear would have cause minimal damage, and due to the position , the guard down below him the spear would have scratched more than pierced

Answer 1

The crucifixion of Jesus was unknown among the early church as late as the end of the second century. This was close to 176 years after the church would like us to believe the brutal end of its God occurred. It must be immediately pointed out that the modern church admitted the records of Bishop Irenaues (d.202) created a serious problem. They said of him: “Although of crucial importance in the development of the church’s theology. Irenaeus presents problems of considerable difficulty in regard to details about Jesus Christ”. Irenaeus is fondly described by the church hierarchy as the “depositary of primitive truth”, but he denied a virgin birth, and never mentioned a trial of Jesus Christ, said nothing of a crucifixion or resurrection and claimed Jesus declined towards old age

Answer 2

The Romans were good at what they did. They did it all the time. They knew how to torture and kill a person. How did He manage to stay in a tomb for 3 days if He was just unconscious?
As for the answerer who said that the body weight can't be supported through the hands, you're absolutely correct. The bones in the hands would snap and the tissues would tear. BUT, if you look at the original Greek wording, and do a tiny bit of research, you will find that the word there could actually mean anywhere between the fingertips and elbow. Criminals were more than likely hanged by nails through their wrists, which would speed up the death process of course, because of the artery there. ALSO, use a little common sense.....MANY people besides Christ were crucified on Roman crosses. They all managed to hang there long enough to die. History books support this. That means that the Romans obviously didn't hammer the nails through the palms of their hands....they would have figured out pretty quickly that the person wouldn't stay hanging there for very long!

Answer 3

I am assuming by your question that you believe that Jesus was a historical figure, and that he was crucified on a cross.

Keep in mind the social and historical context. This was the Roman Empire, for crying out loud. Ruthlessly efficient, cruel (to a certain extent) and good at killing people. A Roman guard, such as the one that actually put Jesus on the cross (and subsequently removed him) would be prosecuted and probably killed if ANYBODY were to escape an execution sentence. You can be assured that the guard would have made sure that Jesus was dead, especially considering how high profile he was. That guard's career, and probably life, was on the line, and Roman soldiers did not make many mistakes.

As the first answer states, the historical record of the time states that a spear pierced his side in order to ensure his death. There is no reason to doubt that that happened, as it would only be logical for the guard to do that. Needless to say, not many people survive a crucifixion AND an impalement.

Answer 4

After being beaten by a master, crowned with thorns, carrying a log across town until he was able to go no farther, nailed to that log, hung there about 9 hours, had a spear shoved through his side, blood and water (the description seems to indicate that the pericardium was lacerated).. wrapped in cloth, tied up and placed in a cave with no water and a huge rock blocking the door. left there approximately 36 hours... maybe he came back to consciousness, untied himself, pushed the stone away, beat up the guards and ran off into the dark...

That's pretty far out. What you propose, which has historically been called the "swoon theory," is NOT a REASONABLE explanation of the events. If the witnesses saw what is described in the Gospels, the only reasonable explanation is that the story is true.

Answer 5

The Roman soldiers who speared Jesus were experts in murdering people on the cross. Of course they knew whether a person was dead on the cross. That was their expertise : to murder. Jesus died of a broken heart and spears pierced through him.

Medical experts have been questioned on this issue and from the Bible, there is no way that Jesus did not die after hanging from the cross after so many hours. Even medical experts who are professors admit that Jesus died on the cross. The Bible is medically accurate.

Jesus did exist. He has impacted civilisations for centuries. His power still exists today.

Please read "The case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. He examined very carefully the evidence of Jesus' death and resurrection in the book. He questioned doctors, professors of the Bible and lawyer professors in the book.

Another book to read is "Evidence that demands a verdict" by Josh McDowell. Search and you will find.

Answer 6

The historical accuracy of the gospels have always been questionable at the very best. There is evidence that some had survived crucifiction (see Josephus antiquities). It would not be beyond the realm of possibility for Jesus to have survived. Often biblical aplolgists reference Josphus and his Antiquities as corroberating gospel but note Josephus never takes note of any earthquakes or darkness or Herod slaughtering the first born male hebrew or any other very significant event that certainly any historian would have included in his day.

In the present day its an annual event in the Phillipines for many of the pius believers to self flaggulate and be crucified though in the present day the medical care is much better than 2000 YA they do survive

Answer 7

I will let the Centurian who pierced Christ's side answer the question by his own words. Mark 15:37-39
" With a loud cry, Jesus breathed His last. The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. And when the Centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, heard His cry and saw how He died, he said "Surely this man was the Son of God"

Answer 8

I'm not assuming anything. I am crediting an eyewitness more reliable than you are. Say, I've an idea. Poke a half-inch diameter hole in each foot, a half-inch diameter hole in each hand/wrist, and a quarter-inch hole in the gut up thru the rib cage (as it was thrust up from below.) See how long you live without any food, water, or medical care.

The simple fact is that the simple description of the simple Roman crucifixion would result in total blood loss, which is what the rules for the Passover sacrifice mandate.

Oh, and if you survive that, then shut yourself up in a sealed, airless cave for three days. Then see how you feel.

Answer 9

Jesus DIED, but not on a cross.

The King James Bible says Jesus was put to death on a tree.

Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

Acts 13:29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Michelangelo and the Cross

Italian government art experts are said to be “90 percent sure” that a sculpture recently found in a monastery in Lebanon is the work of the famous Italian artist Michelangelo. The small wooden carving is said to be worth $2.5 million (U.S.) if it actually is Michelangelo’s work. According to an Associated Press report, “the figure is unusual because it represents Christ with his hands stretched out above his head instead of to the side, as he usually is depicted on the cross.”

Whether the wooden sculpture is the work of the 16th-century artist Michelangelo or not, it illustrates that the impalement of Christ on a cross frame has not always been so certain as Christendom’s leaders today would have people believe. For example, the 16th-century Roman Catholic scholar Justus Lipsius illustrated impalement on an upright stake in his book “De Cruce Liber Primus.” This fits the meaning of the Greek word used in the Bible to describe the impalement of Christ, “stauros”, which “denotes, primarily, an upright pale or stake.”, “An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words.

Jesus Christ did not die on a cross. The Greek word generally translated “cross” is stau·ros'. It basically means “an upright pale or stake.” The Companion Bible points out: “[Stau·ros'] never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle, There is nothing in the Greek of the [New Testament] even to imply two pieces of timber.”

In several texts, Bible writers use another word for the instrument of Jesus’ death. It is the Greek word xy'lon. This word simply means “timber” or “a stick, club, or tree.”

Explaining why a simple stake was often used for executions, the book Das Kreuz und die Kreuzigung (The Cross and the Crucifixion), by Hermann Fulda, states: “Trees were not everywhere available at the places chosen for public execution. So a simple beam was sunk into the ground. On this the outlaws, with hands raised upward and often also with their feet, were bound or nailed.”

The most convincing proof of all, however, comes from God’s Word. The apostle Paul says: “Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: ‘Accursed is every man hanged upon a stake [“a tree,” King James Version].’” (Galatians 3:13) Here Paul quotes Deuteronomy 21:22, 23, which clearly refers to a stake, not a cross. Since such a means of execution made the person “a curse,” it would not be proper for Christians to decorate their homes with images of Christ impaled.

There is no evidence that for the first 300 years after Christ’s death, those claiming to be Christians used the cross in worship. In the fourth century, however, pagan Emperor Constantine became a convert to apostate Christianity and promoted the cross as its symbol. Whatever Constantine’s motives, the cross had nothing to do with Jesus Christ. The cross is, in fact, pagan in origin. The New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “The cross is found in both pre-Christian and non-Christian cultures.” Various other authorities have linked the cross with nature worship and pagan sex rites.

Answer 10

There are hundreds of documents describing the Roman crucifixion method of execution. Check with any museum dealing in Roman history. They can point you in the right direction. There is NO historical example of anyone surviving it. In this, as in many other things, the Romans were ruthlessly efficient.

It is only among those who don't want to accept it, that this idea holds any credence - no historian would consider someone surviving crucifixion while under a Roman guard. The idea is preposterous.