In explaining His relationship to God and the Holy Spirit, Jesus on several opportunities made statements that later became difficult to understand.
The controversy got so bad and violence between Christians so terrible that it was decided to resolve it adopting the dogma of the Trinity.
But here is an analogy that may explain what Jesus meant when He spoke on different opportunities of the relation between Him, His Father and the Holy Spirit.
Consider the sun and a perfectly polished, pure mirror looking at the sun. The sun represents God, the pure mirror reflecting the rays of the sun the "manifestation of God" in this case Jesus and the rays of the sun coming from the sun and reflected in the mirror the Holy Spirit.
If the mirror says that the sun is in me, it is absolutely correct. But if the mirror says that the sun is mightier that me and has a knowledge that I do not possess it is also correct. Because the mirror is just reflecting the rays of the sun.
If the mirror says that who has seen me has seen the sun, it is also correct because the sun is reflected inside the mirror. However the sun is never physically inside the mirror.
If you look at all the passages where Jesus mentions His relation to the Father and the Holy Spirit you will find that this analogy stands true. Best of all it is not necessary to make a dogma to explain it.
2007-03-15 14:14:37
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answer #1
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answered by apicole 4
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Ignore the first answer. That's normal from Tribble. Anyone can study the Holy Spirit. In fact, Christians should encourage it if it is really the truth. You would think that would bring conversions.
The Holy Spirit is first evident for Christians in the bible when the apostles are locked in a room. Jesus has left them, and they are fearful for their lives. The Holy Spirit descends onto them as tongues of fire and gives them gifts from God - such as the gift of tongues and strength in the faith. They then leave the room - and preach to all who will listen. This is found in the first part of Acts - I believe in chapter two.
The trinity as we know it today is not specifically mentioned in the bible. The Holy Spirit wasn't meant to be seen as being something seperate from God. Instead, it is God's spirit, presence. That which comes to those who believe. It is how God dwells inside believers.
You also have the gifts of the Holy Spirit - somewhere in Paul's writings and Acts. They should be found in
Acts 10:45-46, 21:9; Romans 12:6; 1 Cor 2:13, 12:1-31, 14:2-4, 20-25.
Baptism by the Holy Spirit Luke 3:16
Filling with the Holy Spirit Acts 2:1-4, Eph 5:18 John 2:20
Praying to the Holy Spirit Acts 1;14, Romans 8:27, Eph 6:18, Jude v20
Hopefully this helps some.
2007-03-13 19:35:22
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answer #2
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answered by noncrazed 4
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‘But isn’t Jesus called a god in the Bible?’ someone may ask. This is true. Yet Satan is also called a god. (2 Corinthians 4:4) At John 1:1, which refers to Jesus as “the Word,” some Bible translations say: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” But notice, verse 2 says that the Word was “in the beginning with God.” And while men have seen Jesus, verse 18 says that “no man hath seen God at any time.” (Authorized or King James Version) So we find that some translations of verse 1 give the correct idea of the original language when they read: “The Word was with God, and the Word was divine,” or was “a god,” that is, the Word was a powerful godlike one. (An American Translation) Clearly, Jesus is not Almighty God. In fact, Jesus spoke of his Father as “my God” and as “the only true God.”
Did Jesus ever say that he was God? No, he never did. Rather, in the Bible he is called “God’s Son.” And he said: “The Father is greater than I am.” Also, Jesus explained that there were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that only God knew. (Mark 13:32) Further, on one occasion Jesus prayed to God, saying: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42) If Jesus were the Almighty God, he would not have prayed to himself, would he? In fact, following Jesus’ death, the Scripture says: “This Jesus God resurrected.” (Acts 2:32) Thus the Almighty God and Jesus are clearly two separate persons. Even after his death and resurrection and ascension to heaven, Jesus was still not equal to his Father.
As for the “Holy Spirit,” the so-called third Person of the Trinity, this is not a person but God’s active force. John the Baptizer said that Jesus would baptize with holy spirit, even as John had been baptizing with water. Hence, in the same way that water is not a person, holy spirit is not a person. (Matthew 3:11) What John foretold was fulfilled when, following the death and resurrection of Jesus, holy spirit was poured out on his followers gathered in Jerusalem. The Bible says: “They all became filled with holy spirit.” (Acts 2:4) Were they “filled” with a person? No, but they were filled with God’s active force. Thus the facts make clear that the Trinity is not a Bible teaching. Actually, long before Jesus walked the earth gods were worshiped in groups of three, or trinities, in places such as ancient Egypt and Babylon.
2007-03-13 20:59:44
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answer #3
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answered by BJ 7
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I think there's quite a bit about the holy spirit in Acts. The word Trinity actually is not in the Bible, but here's how I see it.
God is made up of three parts like a man, a man can be a son, a husband, and a dad; God is a Father, son and Holy Spirit. I think it's a bit more complicated than that, but if you want the father and son portion, Jesus talks to his father a lot when he is on the cross and pretty much through out his life, which is in the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John). I hope that helps a little,
God bless.
2007-03-13 19:11:54
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answer #4
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answered by Anonymous
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Go to the back of your Bible an look Holy Spirit from the concordance. The word Trinity is nowhere in the Bible. Father, Son ( Jesus is the Word which become fles John 1:1- ) and the Holy Spirit.
One God.
2007-03-13 19:11:52
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answer #5
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answered by SeeTheLight 7
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Does the Bible teach that the “Holy Spirit” is a person?
Some individual texts that refer to the holy spirit (“Holy Ghost,” KJ) might seem to indicate personality. For example, the holy spirit is referred to as a helper (Greek, pa‧ra′kle‧tos; “Comforter,” KJ; “Advocate,” JB, NE) that ‘teaches,’ ‘bears witness,’ ‘speaks’ and ‘hears.’ (John 14:16, 17, 26; 15:26; 16:13) But other texts say that people were “filled” with holy spirit, that some were ‘baptized’ with it or “anointed” with it. (Luke 1:41; Matt. 3:11; Acts 10:38) These latter references to holy spirit definitely do not fit a person. To understand what the Bible as a whole teaches, all these texts must be considered. What is the reasonable conclusion? That the first texts cited here employ a figure of speech personifying God’s holy spirit, his active force, as the Bible also personifies wisdom, sin, death, water, and blood.
The Holy Scriptures tell us the personal name of the Father—Jehovah. They inform us that the Son is Jesus Christ. But nowhere in the Scriptures is a personal name applied to the holy spirit.
Acts 7:55, 56 reports that Stephen was given a vision of heaven in which he saw “Jesus standing at God’s right hand.” But he made no mention of seeing the holy spirit. (See also Revelation 7:10; 22:1, 3.)
The New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “The majority of N[ew] T[estament] texts reveal God’s spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God.” (1967, Vol. XIII, p. 575) It also reports: “The Apologists [Greek Christian writers of the second century] spoke too haltingly of the Spirit; with a measure of anticipation, one might say too impersonally.”—Vol. XIV, p. 296.
2007-03-13 19:09:05
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answer #6
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answered by papa G 6
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among non-literalists, the Holy Spirit is generally accepted as the "indwelling spirit", God's direct presence in each person's life. There is an ancient creed, the "Athanasian Creed" accepted as valid theology by many churches which gives a wonderful understanding of the relationship of Father, Son, and Spirit.
In comparative religious studies, this Trinity can be compared to the Rishi, Devata, Chhandas values arising out of pure being or pure consciousness. These Sanskrit words mean Knower, Process of Knowing, and Known respectively.
Bible literalists naturally have trouble with this kind of comparison, as they don't usually accept comparisons with other spiritual traditions as having any value.
Hope this helps.
2007-03-17 15:58:54
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answer #7
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answered by John S 2
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The Holy Spirits consist of 4 separate persons. Let's start with the Holy Ghost and the Spirit of Truth.
First, out of every other book of the Bible other then the Gospels Jesus commanded that we read Daniel.
In Matthew 24:15 Jesus said; "When ye therefore see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whosoever readeth, let him understand).
Now we go to Daniel 8:2, Daniel has a vision and he is standing by the river of Ulai. Desolation to give both the sanctuary and the Host to be trodden under foot .
In Daniel 8:15-18 Jesus calls on Gabiel the Spririt of Truth to make Daniel understand the vision, Daniel is still standing on the shores of the river Ulai.
And he said unto me, unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
2000 and 300 days, 200300 days, is 556 years, 4 months and 19 days, (The Lord's Day) the day Jesus rose from the dead, and was glorified by the heavenly Father.
In Daniel 9:21 Gabriel gives Daniel skill and understanding
In Daniel 10:Daniel had another vision In Daniel 10:9 an angels speaks to Daniel and tells him that Michael is his prince.
In Daniel 11:31 the angel is talking with Daniel concerning the daily sacrifice and the abomination of desolation
In Daniel 12, Michael has defeated Satan and in Daniel 12:5 Daniel has a vision and he is standing in the Holy Place, the shores of the river, and Gabriel and Michael are talking to Jesus who is upon the waters of the river.
Jesus foretells of the 5th and 6th Age and the abomination that maketh desolate "SETUP" there shall a thousand two hundred and ninety days, 1000, 200 and 90 days, 100290 days which is 278 years and 7 months after the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and 5 and thirty days, 1000, 300 and 5 and thirty days, 1003530 days which is 2787 years and 7 months
With further revelations and study of the Word of God, it is revealed that Michael is the spirit which brings the words to you, the Holy Ghost. Gabriel is the spirit that makes you understand the words, the Spirit of Truth. The Holy Place is the shores of rivers made of snow water, and the vision of Spirits come to men in their dreams, The Blessed referrs to the Blessing and the Promised Land promised to Abraham Isaac and Jacob in Matthew 5:3-16, known as the "rapture"
In Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 12:7, A Time, Times and a Half or dividing of time, was given unto me by revelation and is time.
The last two Spirits are LORD God, which is Jesus Christ,
(God Made) and God the Father, who is in heaven, which is the God of Creation, (God Said)
More then two thousand years have past. I was in disbelief that God the Father, had not revealed this before this time, until it was revealed unto me that the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled and the time of the disbeliever is at hand
The kingdom of heaven has been with us on earth since the time Jesus declared it in 30 AD.
2007-03-17 16:15:06
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answered by Anonymous
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On the Day when Holy Ghost came on them, in the shape of a Tongue and when they got the power to speak in foreign language, St. Peter advised the disciples to baptize the pagans " In the name of the father, Son and the Holy Spirit"
2007-03-13 19:15:45
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answer #9
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answered by cabridog 4
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You need to specify Catholic or Protestant bible study. Catholics have 6 more books. I'd highly recommend the Book of Wisdom. It's all about the Holy Spirit. But that's not included in Protestant bibles.
http://www.drbo.org/book/25.htm
Snippet from the first page:
1 Love justice, you that are the judges of the earth. Think of the Lord in goodness, and seek him in simplicity of heart. 2 For he is found by them that tempt him not: and he sheweth himself to them that have faith in him. 3 For perverse thoughts separate from God: and his power, when it is tried, reproveth the unwise: 4 For wisdom will not enter into a malicious soul, nor dwell in a body subject to sins. 5 For the Holy Spirit of discipline will flee from the deceitful, and will withdraw himself from thoughts that are without understanding, and he shall not abide when iniquity cometh in.
2007-03-13 19:12:21
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answer #10
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answered by Max Marie, OFS 7
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