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Invite them into your home and feed, cloth them, pay for their medical needs? All the while they disrespect you and your family? We already help these unfortunates by sending money to their Country. and buying their products. Why is this even our problem? Shouldn’t their own Government be helping them out? Shouldn’t they be helping theirselves and their own Countrymen out in their own Country? God also demands respect and love for each other. Do unto others. Where is the love they have shown us? Breaking our immigration laws, driving without a license, insurance, or driving drunk killing American citizens? God also demands that you turn the other cheek. But does not say what to do when you run out of cheeks. God also says in Proverbs 25:17 Withdraw thy foot from thy neighbour's house; lest he be weary of thee, and so hate thee. Every American is not an immigrant. "

2007-03-13 09:20:33 · 11 answers · asked by Zoe 3 in Politics & Government Immigration

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Adrift in a Moral Sea ( a comparison thought)

So here we sit, say 50 people in our lifeboat. To be generous, let us assume it has room for 10 more, making a total capacity of 60. Suppose the 50 of us in the lifeboat see 100 others swimming in the water outside, begging for admission to our boat or for handouts. We have several options: we may be tempted to try to live by the Christian ideal of being "our brother's keeper," or by the Marxist ideal of "to each according to his needs." Since the needs of all in the water are the same, and since they can all be seen as "our brothers," we could take them all into our boat, making a total of 150 in a boat designed for 60. The boat swamps, everyone drowns. Complete justice, complete catastrophe.

Since the boat has an unused excess capacity of 10 more passengers, we could admit just 10 more to it. But which 10 do we let in? How do we choose? Do we pick the best 10, "first come, first served"? And what do we say to the 90 we exclude? If we do let an extra 10 into our lifeboat, we will have lost our "safety factor," an engineering principle of critical importance. For example, if we don't leave room for excess capacity as a safety factor in our country's agriculture, a new plant disease or a bad change in the weather could have disastrous consequences.

Suppose we decide to preserve our small safety factor and admit no more to the lifeboat. Our survival is then possible although we shall have to be constantly on guard against boarding parties.

While this last solution clearly offers the only means of our survival, it is morally abhorrent to many people. Some say they feel guilty about their good luck. My reply is simple: "Get out and yield your place to others." This may solve the problem of the guilt-ridden person's conscience, but it does not change the ethics of the lifeboat. The needy person to whom the guilt-ridden person yields his place will not himself feel guilty about his good luck. If he did, he would not climb aboard. The net result of conscience-stricken people giving up their unjustly held seats is the elimination of that sort of conscience from the lifeboat.

This is the basic metaphor within which we must work out our solutions. Let us now enrich the image, step by step, with substantive additions from the real world, a world that must solve real and pressing problems of overpopulation and hunger.

The harsh ethics of the lifeboat become even harsher when we consider the reproductive differences between the rich nations and the poor nations. The people inside the lifeboats are doubling in numbers every 87 years; those swimming around outside are doubling, on the average, every 35 years, more than twice as fast as the rich. And since the world's resources are dwindling, the difference in prosperity between the rich and the poor can only increase.

As of 1970s the U.S. had a population of 210 million people, who were increasing by 0.8 percent per year. Outside our lifeboat, let us imagine another 210 million people (say the combined populations of Colombia, Ecuador, Venezuela, Morocco, Pakistan, Thailand and the Philippines) who are increasing at a rate of 3.3 percent per year. Put differently, the doubling time for this aggregate population is 21 years, compared to 87 years for the U.S.

The harsh ethics of the lifeboat become harsher when we consider the reproductive differences between rich and poor.

"Moral of the story-----we can't help the world-it is impossible!! We need control and order for us to survive too-we are no good to others otherwise."

How can we help you ask-----the best we can through speaking out to "Their" Government, accountability for Aid given, giving up what you have, and educating them on self effectiveness (farming, solar, pollutions ect)

Add on to a comment below :--email it or do what you want with this comment -with my blessings

2007-03-13 13:36:10 · answer #1 · answered by *** The Earth has Hadenough*** 7 · 8 2

HOW is the best way....
Is how an acronym for something?
Good points.
Glad to see there are people that don't feel a need to save the world but to take care of things here first.
Really like hadenoughs story.......adrift in a moral sea....did you borrow this article or create it. Can I send it around to email list.

2007-03-14 05:43:54 · answer #2 · answered by kabarker 2 · 5 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ
Here is a link to Immigration Gumballs. It will explain why we will never be able to help other countries enough by allowing excessive immigration. It also explains what will happen to this country if we do it anyway out of 'duty' or 'compassion'. Even if we gave them all we had and just died it would not improve conditions in any real way for most of the world. Not as long as people insist on having more children than they could ever feed without 'help'. Worst of all we are taught to carefully plan our families so that we will have enough money to support those who choose not to do so.

2007-03-13 10:28:20 · answer #3 · answered by DJ 6 · 4 4

To withhold aid to the country's that the illegals are from,until that country does something to help them selves. President Calderon said that comprehensive immigration reform must begin in Mexico before it can begin any where else. Meaning that Mexico must do something first to make the country a more livable nation for its own poor. Yes the USA can build more factories and thus offer more employment opportunities but the country's must build their own. Build more schools and hospitals. Education in their own nation would be a great benefit to the entire population. Mexico and the other nations that the illegal aliens come from must help their own people. God helps those that help themselves.
My moral obligation and my compassion ends when any illegal alien disrespects my country ,my flag or my fellow legal Americans.

2007-03-13 12:42:57 · answer #4 · answered by Yakuza 7 · 3 4

There's that Judeo Christian charity -vs- socialism thing. Charity is when you give of your on free will, socialism is when the government taxes you to provide for someone you wouldn't want to help in he first place.

We have enough poor in our own country that can, and WOULD take these so called "jobs Americans won't do", unfortunately, the illegals are doing it at a lower cost. That lower cost is definitely NOT being passed on to the consumer, as some would have you believe, its going into the employer's pocket. Repeat after me, come on you all can say it........ "GREED".

Best way to help someone? Start in your own house, teach your own to take care of themselves, then, and only AFTER you've fixed your own "home" and you're still feeling charitable, reach out to those in foreign countries. Don't pick my pocket and tell me its for a "good cause".

2007-03-13 10:07:15 · answer #5 · answered by free_eagle716 4 · 4 4

I read this some where and it makes sense to me .
If you give a man a fish , he will eat for one day , but if you teach a man to fish , he'll eat forever .

Look up " Immigration Gumballs "
It might answer some of your questions

2007-03-13 09:39:49 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 4 4

Well it's not by "overlooking" lying, cheating and stealing........then they keep thinking that's what works. Obviously giving doesn't help because they keep demanding more. Not even a thank you.

God also said he helps those who help themselves but I'm sure he didn't mean by breaking the law.

2007-03-13 10:29:51 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2 5

We took many, so they think that means we need to take everyone who wants to come, nevermind that none of their own countries work that way, or will help them at home.

2007-03-13 13:08:34 · answer #8 · answered by DAR 7 · 4 3

i like this one better:

give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day.

2007-03-13 09:53:50 · answer #9 · answered by George in Texas 3 · 2 4

Teach them to help themselves. Otherwise, the hell with the SOBs.

2007-03-13 09:51:51 · answer #10 · answered by lucien_kastner 2 · 2 4

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