The Great Global Warming Scandal?

Question

Did anybody watch the show on Channel 4 last night? What did you think? How does it compare to Al Gore's film?

Does anybody out there have anything useful to contribute to the debate? What is global warming and is it caused by/exasperated by human activity?

Please include your relevant qualifications with your sources.

And please, as this is an emotionally charged subject, no name calling!

12 hours gone.
3 posts citing evidence for global warming.
1 post citing evidence against global warming.

1 case of name called - nice one, Citizen. It's not big, and it's not clever. Your post, I mean.

Many people have felt compelled to express their emotions on this issue. See jason c, tamnasn, magpyre et al.

I am looking for cold rational thought. Come on people - we can do it!

Answer 1

The only "swindle" here is that show itself. All, and I literally mean ALL of the arguments they presented in that show have been debunked by climate scientists years ago.
The fact that they'd use arguments that are known to be false is just reprehensible. Here, read the realclimae article: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/swindled/

Answer 2

key points:

1) Between 1940 - 1975 the industrial revolution was in full swing pumping out far more CO2 than now. Yet the temperature was steadily falling. So much so that people where predicting the next ice age.

2) Historically the increase in CO2 has been a direct result of an increase in global temperature with a lag of hundreds of years. Not a cause.

3) The deep ice core studies show the polar regions have been a lot warmer than they are now.

4) While I think based on the evidence presented the link between CO2 and global warming has been disproved. A direct link based on hundreds of years worth of data has been clearly demonstrated between temperature changes and solar activate.

This is clear indisputable scientific evidence instead of the mass hysteria we have had from the left. The evidence is out there in the public domain. But many scientists are to scared to speak publicly and most people are just to dumb to look.

Many of the scinests featured are were actually employed by the IPCCC as well as leading academic institutions such as M.I.T, Cambridge University, etc Even the co-founder of Greenpeace stands up for this view.

Answer 3

Since the program aired on Channel 4 the global warming alarmists have been falling over themselves to post articles debunking it.

‘disgracedfish’, above, (hello again!) gave one such example in realclimate.org.

What I have found interesting is that fact that none of the global warming alarmists really have an answer to the question of; “why do ice core samples show that CO2 follows temperature changes by 800 years”

Here is what realclimate.org says on the subject…

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/co2-in-ice-cores/

For those who can’t be bothered to read it, they basically says this…

Some (currently unknown) process (nothing to do with CO2) causes temperatures to rise. About 800 years later this warming causes CO2 levels to start rising. Once CO2 starts rising it *is* the CO2 that causes further warming.

Notice what’s missing? It’s not only the *rise* in CO2 that lags behind temperature change, it’s the *fall* as well. So we are expected to believe that high levels of CO2 will cause temperatures to rise, but we’re also expected to believe that somehow, miraculously, temperatures will start falling, despite CO2 levels continuing to rise for another 800 years! If CO2 levels are still rising, shouldn’t temperatures still be rising too? But they never seem to answer that question.

So, temperatures start rising without the help of CO2 and then start falling again in spite of CO2 levels continuing to rise. CO2 seems to be irrelevant to me. And I’ve yet to see a global warming alarmist address this point.

Any offers?

Answer 4

Yes the media and politicians now treat anyone who doesnt believe in man made global warming as either a nutcase or a George Bush luddite.

Answer 5

Loads of good answers there! Global temp changes depend on the closeness of the earth to the sun. Simple, so far, eh?
The distance from the sun to certain places on the earth is important. Correct? The earth wobbles around it's axis. (see any recent map) This is called (what a spinning top does as it slows down) and at the moment we will be a bit warmer, then, in a few years it will be a bit colder. THIS HAPPENS every few years or so. GET WISE!

Answer 6

Wether global warming is man made or not [and I have never thought it was man made] we still need to cut down on the chemicals and rubbish we spew into/onto the planet, for our own sakes and health, de-forestation, loss of species habitat, animal extinction, all need to be addressed, we are not off the hook even if the scam is exposed.

Answer 7

i really believe there are people making a living out of all this bloody nonsense especially the governments around the world its giving them a shield to up all the taxes for what//the world will take care of itself and has done for billions of years an the so called global warming has no doubt happened many many times and despite what we do the worlds climates will go on as it always have so why not stop all this nonsense and just go on as we always have done//I suggest the damage we might have done is bursting a hole through the Van Allen belt with the atom and hydrogen bomb testings and the rockets are still being blasted up there just yesterday another took off so that says it all

Answer 8

The thing is, even IF global warming is totally natural and unstoppable, we should really cut down on our use of oil, stop destroying the rainforest, and try to conserve energy. It really isn't that hard, and we should not be dependent on such things.

Answer 9

I've got a nasty feeling that the worlds governments know that global warming has nothing to do with human activity and are just using it as a cynical ploy to raise taxes and prevent development in Africa.

My qualifications? O' level English and physics, C.S.E. grade 1 R.E., and RSA stage 1 typewriting.

You ****.

Answer 10

the biggest scandal is that people have the means & the intelligence 2 make a difference, they just choose not 2
thinking they have all the time in the world.
anyway links below r what educated people think.