Why is it that so many people today STILL believe that Karate, Kung FU, Tae Kwon Do, etc, are effective?

Question

Back in the day (UFC 1,2,3) with the exception of biting and eye gouging, you could do ANYTHING....thats right...you could pull hair, throw groin shots, small joint manipulation...like breaking fingers and toes, throw soccer kicks, downward elbows, etc.

What I can't understand is how people can see this and believe that Ninjutsu, or Kung Fu, or Tae Kwon Do is going to be that effective....has no one seen the first three UFC's?

How can anyone believe that Jiu Jitsu and Muy Thai are not the most effective form of true self defense?

Answer 1

I dont how people can still be so idiotic. but nor do i give a good god jamma.

Answer 2

Youtube up Andy Hug, Semmy Schilt, Filho, Glaube, George St.Pierre, etc.. Those guys are Kyokushin karateka. Also check out Yilmaz Serkan, he's a TKD guy and he give Masato a hella TOUGH time.

And I'm a Muay Thai guy! That should tell you something about how ignorant you're about MMA and martial arts in general.

However as for commericalized TKD, karate, etc... or for Kung Fu, I'm still trying to figure this one out. But again... San Shou/San Da are very effective and they're kung fu.

Answer 3

because those arts can be effictive. and no im not a karate, kung fu, taekwondo ect practitioner; I am a thai boxer. Any style can beat any style if trained properly. Some people might even say that SanShou is a better (kick)boxing style than thai boxing. Now that being said some styles have more flashy moves that will not be able to be pulled off in a real fight, and typically thai boxing teaches simple and basis attacks to get the job done. but im sure i real/smart martial artist will not try to jet li butterfly kick someone in a real fight.

I also see an edge that boxers and thai boxers have because compared to some other arts they train harder, better conditioned, and have resistance sparring. But if other styles train like this which im sure the serious ones do then either one can win.

As for brazilian jujitsu it kinda has no other system like it its mainly focused on ground work, which other styles may incorporate some ground fighting like judo and juijitsu but bjj is almost entirely ground work. but in case you dont know the current pride heavyweight champion(Fedor) is a champ in judo and sambo

anyways ring fights do not necessarily predict selfdefense/street fights. because mma still have some rules. just yesterday i was showing my homegirl how to do an armbar yesterday what did she end up doin? she bit my leg!

Answer 4

Great. ANOTHER know it all that didn't do any homework before putting a question up. I think I should start to cut and paste a response to these.

Here we go. If you want to live in the past, be my guest. The rest of the world will evolve and use what works. If I remember right, the Gracie's got their *sses handed to them on a silver platter in the last couple of fights I watched. So, back in the day, way back in the day, jiu jitsu was good.

Now, in the present, I saw Stephan Bonner throw a step hook kick and he NEVER was tackled to the mat. I saw George St Pierre use a step back kick and almost break ribs. I saw David Louasseau (sp) use a counter back kick and stop an opponent in his tracks. All of these are TKD kicks.

So, let me ask YOU this. How can YOU think that Tae Kwon Do isn't useful and effective now? If you still say no, then live in the past with your head in the sand. The rest of use will enjoy the sun and fresh air.

Answer 5

These arts are still effective. The quality and frequency of your training will far outweigh your style.
No one can say one art is more effective than another art (except in extreme cases). The emphasis should not be on the style but on the training methods.
The human body has not changed very much since these arts were invented, they were effective then and remain effective today, however some schools that teach these arts have gotten "soft". Please understand that some of the schools are not effective, the styles themselves are not flawed, just the training environments.
Also, please remember that UFC is a sports entertainment venue. It is full contact but still does not 100% simulate an actual self-defense situation. A fight is a willing physical clash of two or more egos while a self-defense situation is entirely a different matter.

Answer 6

If I want to be an MMA killing machine I will take Muay Thai, Catch Wrestling, Jujitsu, Boxing and Judo. The MMA stuf is just one goal.

I don't think I would let my kids do Muay Thai unless they were older. The discipline although the most effective striking form is not appropriate for young kids yet. Karate maybe better to start them with. Chuck Liddell started in Karate.

It has more to do with what people want out of the martial arts.

Answer 7

because karate and CMA CAN be effective if trained realistically.

Because there are bs bjj and jj schools out there too. Believe it or not there are schools that claim to teach these arts that have no foundation to do so.

The "mcdojoing" of bjj has begun. MT has crappy coaches just like boxing does, does that mean that boxing is not a martial art or an effective form of fighting?

your biggest mistake was presuming that ANY hand to hand style is the "most effective form of true self defence" when even the best bjj muai thai mmaist has NO defence against a .45. They would not be much help to him/her against a knife.

And bjj or mt or jj aren't any good if trained properly. There are jj schools that train poorly.

CMA (chinese martial arts) have a reputation for not training with resistance, true, personally I **** on them more than anything else here, because I take a cma, and show up to cross train against other styles and train with resistance and don't hop around at a "pajama party" like a good number of CMA schools do and are.

Why did you back off of karate? Did you realize that there are karate schools that train hard and spar full contact (not that tip tap point sparring crap, I mean punch-counterpunch type of sparring you see in mt, san da, or the UFC)?

tae kwon do....

Well you got me there.

EDIT: to all the other "peanut gallery", the MMA (pride in particular as it is less restrictive) is "as real as it gets" at least for now until we bring back gladiatorial fights (I can only hope, we need something to do with the metrosexuals).

Of course the UFC or pride doesn't allow certain things for safety or sportsmanship reasons, sjm (ok, I don't really see this one), spitting, eye gouging, etc. however, its a competition environment (where naturally in competition on that level people will have trained harder and are no longer "hobbyists"). That doesn't mean that because a fighter that trains for the UFC that he is less effective on the street because of a "ruleset".

Neither Pride, nor the UFC's rules leave such glaring holes in training (that is presuming they never trained anything except by ufc rules- which is not very likely) that would make it a major weakness in a "real" fight. Unless of course you include "weapons" on this mythical place you call the street.

Fact is that people mostly use the UFC or pride's status as a "combat sport" to make excuses for themselves to feel better about thier own art which simply doesn't train as hard as these guys or simply is taught improperly without resistance and has compliant partners, etc.

EDIT2: just to remind people about the "sport" distinction, one of the famous "uprisings" in history occured as a result of these "sportative martial artists" escaping from a gladatorial school and holding rome in fear from appx 73bce-71bce.

Answer 8

First of all, the UFC (even in its supposed "good ol' days") is not the real world nor is it an entirely accurate gage of how effective a particular martial arts style is in providing self-defense. Rather, its really nothing else other than another form of prize fighting.

An effective fighting style is not the same thing as effective self-defense. I think you're confusing the concepts. Of course, if you're one of those guys that like to pick fights so that you'll "have to be forced" to defend yourself...then I suppose you might be right.

Answer 9

Here is a simple thought was every fighter in the world in the first few UFC's , no. Can you judge a persons skill by their art, no. Were there still rules in the first few UFC's , yes. Have you ever noticed that the floor of the octagon is padded ? It slows a striker down while giving a grappler an advantage.

Answer 10

They are what you make of them. If you don't put any effort into it; it won't work. You can only say what doesn't work- if you've tried them. Have you trained in every form of martial arts? There are so many; nobody would have the time to try them all. Also, every teacher is different and has had different experiences. My Sensei encourages us to think outside the 'box'

Answer 11

It's called Mixed Martial Arts. Notice the "Mixed" in there. It includes every martial art. Ufc just limits the styles. I practice MMA, which includes come kung fu. All i'm saying is that when people disrespect MMA, they are disrespecting all martial arts.