How can one be considered a true Christian when they are denying the nature of God and ultimately kicking two members of the trinity out? Scripture warns us against false prophets and religions. Isnt the "Jesus-only" heresy one such example of what scripture warns us about.
2007-03-12 07:18:22 · 14 answers · asked by republican_jew 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
rlrose - Im not doing anything except asking a question of what others think.
2007-03-12 07:27:43 · update #1
Truth 6 - If you are denying Christ's divinity then you cannot truly call yourself a Christian.
2007-03-12 07:39:10 · update #2
Elohim (God) is Father, Word & Holy Spirit. Jesus is the Word of God who came down from heaven. He is also the Son of God / Israel (Mary).
Your right. There is something wrong with rejecting the Father & Holy Spirit. Jesus isn't God by himself. Only singular of Elohim, Elyh. Without the Father God who is greater than the Word of God, how could we be restored to Father God if there isn't a Father God. Also how could we pray to Jesus or Father God without the Holy Spirit? One needs all three to be restored to God (Elohim).
Elohim created the heaven & the earth. So God the Father, Word & Holy Spirit is the Creator of all things. Without any of the 3 in 1, nothing would have been created.
2007-03-12 07:29:12 · answer #1 · answered by t a m i l 6 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Oneness Pentecostalism is a very old heresy (modalism) that resurfaced at Azusa (though I doubt any of the Oneness Pentecostals I've met even know who Sabellius was). But does holding to a heterodoxy of some sort mean you are damned?
Did the centuries of Christians who came before the Trinity doctrine all go to hell? How about the Christians that only accepted one gospel? How about those that rejected John's Apocalypse? Those that accepted the Didache and Acts of the Apostles? Doctrine on all matter of things took seven ecumenical councils to sort out. Vernacular translations weren't available until the 15th century, and even still books were expensive and not readily available and most people were illiterate until the 19th century. So pretty much every lay Christian probably believed something unorthodox without even knowing it. Did all those Christians who didn't have their theology right or didn't even own or read a Bible go to hell?
Do you see now why it's just "Those who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved"? If anyone had to do more than believe on Jesus Christ they'd have been in trouble. Remember, you are looking back over 20 centuries of various Christian-isms losing votes in councils of theologians and church lawyers.
For example, Mary was Jesus mother. So is she then properly the "Mother of God?" Roman bishops paid pirates to attack and burn a ship full of Greek bishops who said no. Is whether Mary is the Mother of God or not something we go to hell over? Is it something we should even care about? These are things Constantine wrote about to the bishops calling them "unseemly divisions over matters which no man can know." Trinitarianism makes sense to nobody and confounded the greatest philosophical minds of the the first four centuries of the church. But where in the Bible does is it say you can't be saved unless you believe in the doctrine of the Trinity?
I think trying to use doctrine and dogma to decide who is and isn't Christian is not the standard the Bible sets forth. I don't see any scripture to indicate Peter said anything to Cornelius about the Trinity, but Cornelius and his whole house were saved when they believed and started speaking in tongues before they were even baptized. So they belonged to Christ, which made them Christians, right, and yet they knew scarcely a word of doctrine, right? they hadn't even read Paul's as yet unwritten letters, right? I think Oneness Pentecostals are Christians even if they are heterodox.
2007-03-12 08:16:18 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
I agree, the "Jesus only" belief is unscriptural, especially in the light of Matthew 28:19, and also when Jesus was baptized, both the Father and the Holy Spirit appeared at once. How can they deny that? Just because the word "trinity" doesn't appear in the Bible, doesn't mean the concept of the trinity isn't there.
2007-03-12 07:28:45 · answer #3 · answered by FUNdie 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I'm an adherent to "God-only" faith - as Jesus taught (follower of Christ's teachings is Christian).
I am often told I am not Christian...so from experience I would say most reject me and consider me not part of the Christian fold.
~ Eric Putkonen
2007-03-12 07:39:49 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
Not possible? You cant believe in Jesus without God and we would not have been turned towards Jesus without the Holy spirit. Its a three way combo, not a supersize.
2007-03-12 07:22:09 · answer #5 · answered by Jamie 3 · 3⤊ 0⤋
So what you're saying is that if someone believes Jesus died for their sins but reject the notion of a God and Holy Ghost, you'll ostracize them as heathens or just plain wrong?
Wow... what a true Christian YOU are.
2007-03-12 07:21:33 · answer #6 · answered by Rogue Scrapbooker 6 · 3⤊ 1⤋
I'm christian, I don't not believe in the trinity. I guess I will burn in Hell. God is the dad. Jesus is his son and brother to me . Holy spirit dwells in me. Trinity is Idolatry. GOD BLESS
2007-03-12 07:32:22 · answer #7 · answered by TCC Revolution 6 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Christian means "follower of Christ" So yeah they would qualify as Christian in the technical sense but they are not following the God he taught. So they are following Christ but not his teachings, I would have to say no.
2007-03-12 07:24:16 · answer #8 · answered by YouCannotKnowUnlessUAsk 6 · 3⤊ 1⤋
properly, a real Christian follows Christ, no longer the church and not a e book written by making use of the church. you ought to study his teachings and learn from them. Jesus warns his human beings against following fake teachings. to respond to this question we'd desire to appreciate while the Trinity arose. the respond is: no longer till finally 3 hundred-4 hundred years after the days of Jesus and his apostles. that's a astonishing certainty that the "early Church Fathers" -- the theologians who wrote interior the era a hundred-3 hundred A.D. -- knew no longer something of it, and many times uttered critiques which contradict it. for the final public of them there grew to become into no question of Jesus' being "co-equivalent and co-eternal with the father". He grew to become into subordinate to God his Father, and grew to become into referred to as a "created Being". the classes which now make up the Doctrine of the Trinity have been the alternatives of particularly some regular Church Councils. those are the biggest: 325 A.D. First regular Council at Nicea, declared that the Son grew to become into from the start of an identical nature because of the fact the father. 381 A.D. 2d regular Council at Constantinople, declared that the Holy Spirit grew to become into to be worshipped with the father and the Son. 431 A.D. 0.33 regular Council at Ephesus, decreed that Jesus had 2 natures, a human and a divine; additionally that Mary grew to become into the "mom of God", in opposition to those that maintained that she grew to become into the "mom of Christ". 451 A.D. 5th regular Council at Chalcedon, decreed that the two natures in Christ constituted in straight forward terms one individual and one will. The ingenious formula of the Doctrine of the Trinity over a significant volume of time, is obviously shown while the main creeds of the Church are in comparison:
2016-10-18 04:59:59 · answer #9 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Even the christians can't decide among themselves which denomination is correct.
No wonder people are leaving religion in droves
2007-03-12 07:22:44 · answer #10 · answered by rosbif 6 · 0⤊ 2⤋