christians....if you concede that mental illness is just that....an ILLNESS then why can you still say.../?

Question

that suicides go to hell?

is it because if you admit that people's brains are wired differently you'd have to admit that maybe people are born gay?

yeah beta fish....it's an illness like being gay is ia choice....dipstick

Answer 1

I am no longer a Christian but a number of years ago I was. In fact, I was even a pastor.

We had a woman in the congregation commit suicide after a long and drawn out battle with depression. At that point I took it upon myself to find out what the Bible said about suicide. What I found was that suicide would be considered a sin but it was not an unforgivable sin. There is no Biblical reason to support the idea that suicides go to hell.

Some might argue that it is a sin that can’t be confessed that therefore the suicide ends up in hell but I would ask those people to consider the following. Have you confessed every single lie you’ve told, or ever time you’ve wished someone ill? Of course not! It was my conclusion at the time that God was more concerned with where the person’s heart was and not their actions. I felt certain that God grieved over a person in such pain that they would choose to take their own life and that he would not condemn them.

I even preached a message about it. Many in the congregation were not amused. Oh well that was their problem and not mine.

Answer 2

Suicides didn't always go to hell... just a second here...

I was trying to find my source but I'll just have to go from memory: Until about 300a.d., suicide was not a sin. The thing is, life was so miserable and heaven so wonderful that christians were killing themselves in droves- many of them to forever escape their religious persecution. Well, church elders obviously dissaproved, because if all the christians killed themselves, there wouldn't be any left to pass the word on, so they made it a sin. Many if not all the books of the bible have been revised many, many times over by the church. Ipso facto, the passages charging that homosexuality was a sin could very well be changes similar to the suicide rule. Maybe church elders didn't want people being gay because 1. It was a hallmark of the romans, whose persecution the christians where trying to escape from, and 2. if followers were gay, they couldn't "make" more followers. Thus it was made a sin so even the gay people would still feel forced to reproduce. This is just a theory though. I know at least now what people are arguing is what the bible said then, and judging by its history, the bible's been changed too often to argue for its side.

Answer 3

I really think it depends on what drives a person to suicide. sometimes it is mental illness. But sometimes it is also a result of choices the person has made that has lead them to the point of suicide. In this case, I believe that God gives the person plenty of opportunities and encouragement to get the help they need. In the end, it is up to God to judge those people and not up to us.

Yes, I believe that some people are born with gay tendencies but I do not believe that all gay people were born with those tendencies. I also do not believe that a person must be gay, even if he/she has those tendencies.

Answer 4

If the person who commits suicide is so ill that they do not know committing suicide is wrong, I guess they could go to heaven. If they are sane enough to know it is wrong but they do it anyway, they will probably go to hell.

I do not think you should compare being gay, and mental illness. Depression and schizophrenia and medical diseases. Being gay is a lifestyle.

I do not know if people are born gay, being as I am not. I understand that people are different from each other. Some people may be attracted to people of there same sex, but they still choose what they do about it.

Answer 5

What has "mental illness" got to do with the beliefs of Christians? Just because one dividual has the urge/urges to committ suicide doesn't necessarily mean that they have a "mental illness". Some of your suicidels have "emotional problems" but are not classified as Mentally Ill. A person can be diagnosed with either a mental illness or a mental disorder. Now, if you are refering to the Bible as to the passage that "one" shall go to "hell" if he/she commits suicide, then one needs to understand that you have to go with the "time period" that the Bible was written. One needs to understand that back in this time era that their way of life and the "laws of God" were considerably different than from todays. You need to understand that back then they didn't have Dr's to diagnose "mental illness or mental disorders" so therefore anyone that acted in suicidel attempts or actions would be considered "going against" Gods laws.One can't be punished for such actions if they are already "dead" so they told the people that if you committ suicide "you'll go to hell". I can't believe that God would purposely commit someone to "hell" if He knew that the person was sick due to a brain disorder. Now FYI...until 1989, homosexuality was considered as a "mental illness or mental disorder", but with further study and research and debates among the psychiatric administration it is now considered "not" a disorder or illness but of one's choice or cultural norms.

Answer 6

Suicide (or not committing suicide) is not the test of whether someone is going to hell or not. Each person has to decide for themselves whether or not they want to make God the God (Lord, Master) of their life or not.

One reason why many think that suicides will go to hell is because they are taking their own life, therefore they did not give their life to God. That is pretty good reasoning, and I am sure that in many instances it must be true.

However, there are sure to be exceptions. For instance, if you are on fire, in a burning building, you know you are going to die no matter what, maybe you jump out of a window to end it all quickly. Maybe it is less dramatic, maybe you are dying of cancer and have been told there is no cure, etc, and you just want to end it all. While I am sure God is against the latter example, both are cases which do not involve removing God as Lord of your life (although in the latter example it could be).

Among the exceptions, there are people who become ill, mentally or otherwise, who do not know or understand what they are doing. Regardless, everyone will be judged according to what they did with what they were given.

We know that God died for everyone, giving them all a chance to come to Him, even those who reject Him. We know that God is not willing that even one should perish, that they should be saved if at alll possible. And we know that God is a Just and Merciful God, who is Love itself. In other words, God is not sitting around in heaven waiting to see who He can condemn, on the contrary, He is like a fireman coming to the rescue.

As far as people's brains being "wired" differently. Some are naturally "wired" differently. They do not know hot from cold, good from evil, up from down, and so on. However, this does not challenge reality in any way, that is, up is still up, down is still down, hot is hot, cold is cold, and on and on that goes. Such a person needs to be protected and cared for, that is why they are here.

One does not go around telling them that it is okay to handle things that are burning their flesh to ashes just because they do not feel pain. Nor can one be sympathetic or caring if they go around burning them in an effort to "go along" with the metally disturbed's beliefs. If a person is born with something terribly wrong with them, and it can be fixed, let's try to fix it. If it cannot be fixed, let's help them deal with it. But I do not think it is a good idea to pretend like they are completely normal and that this is the natural way that everyone should be.

All are as equal before God, and we should always keep that in mind and treat everyone as a person, trying not to mistreat them in any way, or to make them feel inferior (or superior). At the same time, you can't use that as an excuse to not give them the medication that they need, or to allow a mentally deficient person to run heavy machinery. In other words, we must be realistic.

Answer 7

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Answer 8

I t depends on scientific facts not only of a moral truth.
A sucidal shall not be judge because of his behavior, you said it correctly, he wasn´t probably very sane.
Therefore, he cannot go to hell he was sick.
If people were born gay, it would still be like saying if an alcoholic was born alcoholic, you cannot judge them for that.

Answer 9

So you're saying that being gay is an illness...?

I always considered it a choice, but if you want to take it a step further and say that it is an illness that requires a cure...go for it!

Answer 10

I never believed that people who commit suicide go to Hell, I have never met another Christian who believed that either, so it must be the extremists that believe that.