ok my last question was deleted because some joker reported it as abuse?

Question

I'm sorry if my last question was offensive in any way to anybody who read it. BUT the question still stands, I didn't get any satisfactory answers, in fact most of them ignored the question completely.

Jehovahs Witnesses believe that there are 144,000 people going to heaven. They believe that of those 144,000, there are about 6,000 left alive today and that these remaining annointed people are the very last ones that will get into heaven. Ever since 1935, when the Great Crowd was created, all Jehovahs Witnesses have had an earthly belief instead of a heavenly one.

All I want to know is where FROM THE BIBLE did they get this date from? I don't want to hear how arrogant or biased I am. I don't want to be offered a Bible Study. I don't want to be told that one day I will understand. Please will someone just answer the question??? Because if that date didn't come from the Bible, where did it come from?

marg & arvin_ian: why are you even bothering to copy+paste completely unrelated information?

achtung_heiss: well done sir, for totally avoiding the question. also, well done for not making it obvious where you get your beliefs from (tetragrammaton).

natesgirlk: i am stumped as to your absolutely wrong answer. if you are a jw, then it seems that you don't even understand your own religion. 1935 is a fairly important date for jw's because as someone has already mentioned that was where (at Cedar Point) jw's were told that instead of believing that they would go to heaven; from now on, they would be living on earth forever instead. quite important, if you ask me.

right so, i just don't get how people can not comprehend a simple question. 1935 signified a turning point for jw's, and it is a pointed date. it is fairly obvious that no-one can answer my question because the answer is that it is from man, not god, and nobody seems to be able to deal with that.

Answer 1

Where from the Bible did we get this date? The great crowd was not "created" in 1935, and Jehovah's Witnesses do not hold that a year given Biblical significance.

We Witnesses, as a people, are always looking to the Bible and prayer for clarification of our beliefs. Occasionally something is brought to our attention as needing an adjustment. The realization of the meaning of the great crowd is one of these adjustments. But 1935 as a date is not foudn in the Bible, nor do we make any claim that it is.

Worth noting, even the Apostles needed to be set straight at times... Peter himself was corrected on a number of occasions. We do not claim to be perfect people, however we try to follow the Bible as closely as possible, readjusting our teachings if anything inaccurate is found. Most religions put their traditions before the words of the Bible, and maintain their own teachings regardless of how much they contradict the teachings of God's Word.

Answer 2

In 1935 Jehovah's Witnesses had a convention in Ceder Point Oh. At that convention it was revealed that there was a earthy hope for believers that were not of the heavenly calling. There's nothing significant about 1935. If you attach any thing at all to it, its only unique in the sense that Jehovah feeds people spiritual food in a way that gives them understanding as his time table continues to fulfillment.
A person either believes as he takes in knowledge of scripture or he doesn't? Being skeptical can be healthy.
The significant date was 1914.
If you are interested in determining how that date is arrived at from scripture?

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Answer 3

Nelson Barbour had studied the word of God and found proof that the Second Coming would occur in 1873, then 1874 - at which time it was decided that Jesus had returned invisibly.

Armageddon was then predicted to occur in 1914, and the dates just kept on coming - gets pretty muddled, with lots of details not spoken about at the Watchtower any longer.

The 144,000 is from Revelations. Their Bible is the New World Translation, with some radical departures from orthodox Christian beliefs.

Answer 4

First of all, no human tells any Jehovah's Witness whether he is a member of Christ's heavenly "little flock" or earthly "other sheep". Among the nearly SEVEN MILLION active Witnesses, literally 99.99% choose to identify THEMSELVES with the earthly hope, and consider their hope of eternal salvation to be a divine gift from God. Since each Christian "feels" his hope in his heart, there is nothing human to prevent any Witness from deciding that he is "anointed" (of the 144,000) with a heavenly hope, yet in the last few years literally ONE in 10,000 choose to identify himself in this so-called "first class".


No specific bible verses teach that the full count of 144,000 "anointed" ones was complete by 1935. Instead, Jehovah's Witness simply note that the numbers of self-described "anointed" peaked in the 1930's. Since the statistics continued to decrease in the decades after, it seems rather obvious that the full count must have been reached in the mid-1930's.

Jehovah's Witnesses do not attach any magical or "inspired" significance to the specific year 1935. The question is a non-starter for anti-Witnesses.


The work that specifically enjoys the holy spirit is the ongoing global preaching work, which can only be accomplished with God's continued blessing. It seems interesting that no other self-described Christian group comes close to comparing with this work by Jehovah's Witnesses. The central message of Kingdom "good news" remains plain and clear and central to Witness doctrine; many other matters are merely interesting and relatively minor.

(Matthew 24:14) And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

Answer 5

I don't know where you got your information, but it is incorrect. 1935 is not a date that Jehovah's Witnesses look to for ANYTHING.

We believe that 144,000 will rule with Jesus in heaven. In order to rule, you have to have subjects. I, personally, know a few who feel they will go to heaven.

Most of the Witnesses I know, including my family and myself, will be earthly subjects of that heavenly government.

The earth was created to be inhabited by perfect humans.

Sin occured, we took a detour through imperfection, and once wickedness is done away with, righteous mankind will be restored to perfection and will live forever in paradise conditions on earth.

Answer 6

You have to remember that jehovah witnesses have a different"bible" and their believe on that 144000 is incorrect if you take the KJV of the bible and read up on it you will see that it is referring the the tribes of israel. there are 12 tribe and the Lord promised that each tribe would have a certain number of his chosen people will make it to heaven it isn't saying that that is all that will make it. And that date isn't in the Bible and I mean the true bible.

Answer 7

OK Jehoves witnesses believe that they will probably not get to heaven, but will reign with God on this earth for the 1000 years as it is told in the bible. I am sorry i will look up the scripture where they got it from later, i cant remember it atm. Its in revelation somewhere

Answer 8

It is not in the Bible, but it is part of their doctrine. Every religion in the world base their belief in two things: Holly Books, and Doctrines.

In most cases, the doctrines are the religious leaders "interpretations" of that which is found in Holly Books. In other religions, the doctrine is made up by the leaders, not even remotely similar to that which is found in their Holly Books.

In the end, it is a matter of faith. And when people share the same faith in that which is being taught to them, they form their groups and worship as the believe is right.

Answer 9

It is my understanding that the date of 1935 changed their beliefs because at that point the religion had grown to 144,000 plus. So once they hit 144,000, either they were to stop converting (what would the point be if all the heaven slots were full?) or to "re-understand" the whole 144,000 thing so that they could grow.

Answer 10

I am not sure but it was officially known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York founded in the late 19th century by a former atheist Charles Taze Russell.