Atheists only...?

Question

Isn't belief in a universe created by God at least as logical as belief in a universe created by some freak accident? Why are you attacking theists for being 'illogical'?

Nothing can come from nothing. If God created the universe, people ask, who created God? If some dense mass burst out and created the universe, people ask, what created the dense mass? Something MUST be everlasting.

"No, it's not."

Wow. What chance does a stupid theist like me stand against the power of your reason?

Weatherman that's exactly what I said. Nothing can come from nothing. Something must have always been there.

I didn't say I believe the universe hasn't budged. Of course it's changed a great deal since its 'creation,' however long ago that was. But its creation by an intelligent entity sure makes more common sense than its creation by an accidental Big Bang of a dense mass that came from nowhere, followed by billions and billions of years of self-directed biological, chemical, and geological development.

Natural, God is the entity I'm calling everlasting.

Answer 1

M-theory is a cutting-edge theory of physics that deals with the extension of superstring theory. It is somewhat contentious in the physics community, as it lacks empirical evidence. If ever experimentally verified, M-theory and string theory would represent remarkable advances in science.

M-theory has been the target of increasing skepticism as some (notably Peter Woit and Lee Smolin) argue that string theorists have overstated many of the theory's strengths while underplaying its weaknesses

Unlike more conventional views of creation in modern physics, that are Ex nihilo, the M-Theory vision, although not yet complete, is of the whole observable universe being one of many extended 4 dimensional branes in an 12 dimensional spacetime. Although branes similar to that representing our universe can co-exist in the theory, their physical laws could differ from our own, as could their number of dimensions. Some proponents of the theory now believe that a collision of two branes may have been responsible for the Big Bang.

thats said...

The big bang was not an explosion of matter; it was an explosion of energy

Using Einstein’s equation E=MC2 mater and energy are interchangeable. We have already turned mater into energy so the reverse would also be true.

The mater in the universe was transformed from the energy of the big bang.

upone looking at all the evidence the big bang makes a lot more sense to me than a god just willing everything into being, and which god would that be? there are thousands of them. how do you know you picked the right one?

If the bible is inspired by a divine being, how can it be wrong? And yet it is…the flood, never happened. The bible put the earth at about 6000 years old…wrong again. So how do you know the rest is right?

Answer 2

Belief in an everlasting, almighty being with no creator is the illogical belief.

You shoot your own arguement in the foot with your statements about "who created god?" and nothing coming from nothing. The fact that the universe was created by the explosive decompression of the Big Bang proves that there was SOMETHING before what we know now. It doesn't prove that there is anything everlasting, just that we don't currently have the technology available to find out what that is...yet. As long as humanity survives, we'll keep looking for what created the thing before the thing we know (what was before the Big Bang, what was before that, etc.). One universal constant is that everything natural has a natural origin. The supernatural is only a thing of the mind.

Answer 3

Well it's after the creation of the universe that I find major faults, like right after. I don't fully/trully believe in either, one from lack of evidence and one from overwhelming contrary evidence.
Maybe some freak accident from another dimension created ours, or maybe there was a prior universe and all the black holes merged and sucked eveything into a single point sparking the big bang, maybe from another dimension there was a supreme being/higher power/ alien who decided to create this universe, the way we would create a petri dish or aquarium.
But it sure isn't the way it is stated in religious texts. The creation is a mystey and perhaps always will be, but I surely believe in the "billions and billions of years of self-directed biological, chemical, and geological development."

Answer 4

You are assuming the existence of "time", the existence of the "past", the existence of the "future", and inferencing that the "past" and "future" stretch on infinitely.

In reality, all we have is Now. The existence of the past is highly questionable. We have memories of things having been different from what they are. And we have memories of ourselves making predictions that turned out to be accurate at a "later time". But, that is all we know of time.

There need not be a Big Bang, nor a God. We simply ARE.

To say that God must exist because the universe must have a beginning, would imply that time is making God do something, and therefore God would be governed by the laws of time and therefore not the Almighty who creates all laws.

If God is above all laws, you must not say that the laws of time necessitate the existence of God.

Answer 5

If you say that something must be everlasting, and not everything needs to be created, you are implicitly saying that there is no need for a god. The universe can be everlasting all by itself. Adding god into this is unnecessary. God is just an idea invented by people, and there is no evidence that god exists, while there is plenty of evidence that the universe exists and is around for quite a while already.

Answer 6

No, it's not.

How likely is it that the entire universe, complete with stars and galaxies and planets and countless millions of species of life on Earth, could just exist spontanously, fully formed, from nothing, from nowhere? Clearly, such an idea is a nonsense - it's inconceivably improbable. Nevertheless, some people want us to believe that something infinitely more improbable still - an intelligent entity capable of designing and creating such a universe - does indeed just exist fully formed, from nothing, from nowhere. This is so obviously, jaw-droppingly ridiculous that it's scarcely credible that anyone would admit to believing it, even for a moment. The whole idea of a god existing is simply barmy.

Answer 7

Because we have concluded the material plane does, in fact, exist. While it seems obvious, we've gone through the centuries of philosophical discourse (like Descartes' "Cogito Ergo Sum" e.g.) so that we can understand ourselves and the planet we inhabit. Ergo, we at least are in the ballpark with the knowledge that matter existed. Now the task is rewinding the clock and seeing how it all began, or approximate it as best as possible.
The metaphysical plane is another matter entirely. I, personally, am agnostic. This is where I feel the religious and atheists make the same error: they presuppose knowledge they don't possess. Anything metaphysical- God, ESP, divination- is simply unknowable. We can't say that it does or does not exist. But the religious compound the error because they must keep with their assumption as to the existence of God and therefore all later deductions come into question because the very foundation of their rationale is in error.

Answer 8

Because no one can provide any substantial evidences of God yet, hence it is illogical.

There are proves and logical theories in which even the theists can't refute, but uses the standard clause to nullify it, hence it is more logical.

Anyway, if the universe is created by God (it is not written in the bible, it just says Earth is created by god), who created God? If there is a creator for God, who create the creator? .... and the list goes on ;P......

If you say based on bible where it is mentioned he is the alpha and the omega ...... can we not put this clause onto the universe as it was the alpha and the omega?

Answer 9

No it's not

Belief in a universe created by a god also needs a belief in a god before the universe.

And if nothing existed before the universe where did this god come from?

Answer 10

"No, it isn't" is the correct answer, and therefore it's perfectly fine to point out theists' inability to think logically.

Don't ask questions if you don't want to hear the right answer.

It is easier to live your life believing in a creator because most humans hate the idea of being accountable for their own behavior.