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From among the Ishmaelites Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac (Genesis, chapter 21). Ishmael became the grandfather of the Arab nation. And Isaac became the grandfather of Jewish nation. The prophet spoken of was to come not from among the Jews themselves, but from among their brothers, the Ishmaelites. Muhammad a descendant of Ishmael, is indeed that prophet. 3. God will put his words in his mouth ‘Neither the content of the revelation, nor its form, were of Muhammad’s devising. Both were given by the angel, and Muhammad’s task was only to repeat what he heard.’ (Word Religions from Ancient history to the Present, by Geoffrey Parrinder, p. 472). God sent the angel Gabriel to teach Muhammad the exact words that he should repeat to the people. The words are therefore not his own; they did not come from his own thoughts, but were put into his mouth by the angel. These are written down in the Qur’an word for word, exactly as they came from God. Now that we know that prophet we must listen to him, for, according to the Bible, God says: ‘I will punish anyone who refuses to obey him’ (Good News Bible, Deut. 18:19). Jesus (on whom be peace) In the Glorious Qur'an The Qur’an tells us many wonderful things about Jesus. As a result, believers in the Qur’an love Jesus, honor him and believe in him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she believes in Jesus, on whom be peace. The Qur’an says that Jesus was born of a virgin, that he spoke while he was still only a baby, that he healed the blind and the leper by God's leave and that he raised the dead by God's leave. What then is the significance of these miracles? First, the virgin birth. God demonstrates His power to create in every way. God created everyone we know from a man and a woman. But how about Adam, on whom be peace? God created him from neither a man nor a woman. And Eve from only a man, without a woman. And finally, to complete the picture, God created Jesus from a woman, without a man. What about the other miracles? These were to show that Jesus was not acting on his own behalf, but that he was backed by God. The Qur’an specifies that these miracles were performed by God's leave. This may be compared to the Book of Acts in the Bible, chapter 2, verse 22, where it says that the miracles were done by God to show that he approved of Jesus. Also, note that Jesus himself is recorded in the Gospel of John to have said: ‘I can do nothing of my own authority' (5:30). The miracles, therefore, were done not by his own authority, but by God's authority. What did Jesus teach? The Qur'an tells us that Jesus came to teach the same basic message which was taught by previous prophets from God – that we must shun every false god and worship only the One True God. Jesus taught that he is the servant and messenger of the One True God, the God of Abraham. These Qur'anic teachings can be compared with the Bible (Mark 10:18; Matthew 26:39; John 14:28, 17:3, and 20:17) where Jesus teaches that the one he worshipped is the only true God. See also Matthew 12:18; Acts 3:13, and 4:27 where we find that his disciples knew him as ‘Servant of God’. The Qur’an tells us that some of the Israelites rejected Jesus, and conspired to kill him, but God rescued Jesus and raised him to Himself. God will cause Jesus to descend again, at which time Jesus will confirm his true teachings and everyone will believe in him as he is and as the Qur'an teaches about him. Jesus is the Messiah. He is a word from God, and a spirit from Him. He is honored in this world and in the hereafter, and he is one of those brought nearest to God. Jesus was a man who spoke the truth which he heard from God. This can be compared with the Gospel According John where Jesus says to the Israelites: ‘You are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God’ (John 8:40).

please, do pass this question around...

need feedbacks (even though it is kinda long... well, if you have the time to spend onY!M, why not?)

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these are fact i gathered... please, more answers...then i'll 'retort' so-to-speak

which bible are you guys using?

any of you speak aramaic or hebrew?
(since you're 'well-versed')

mr pugwash, where in the bible EXACTLY does it state that jesus is the son of god ; if you have a link, it'll be good...

Answer 1

Sorry, just wanted to correct "pugwasher"s insinuation.

The Quran is NOT Muhammad's word (peace be upon him). It is the word of God.

Therefore, The Quran is not understood like the Bible, in a third-person manner (means written by somebody else). There were no Pauls, Jonahs, Lucas, Markus etc.

Answer 2

You put a lot of work into this, and I admire that. However, the Bible does NOT say that the prophet will come from outside the Jews. It says that the prophet will be one of their own brethren.
Because Ishmael was conceived OUTSIDE of God's will, he was not one of the brethren spoken of. Ishmael was a result of Sarah's lack of faith.
What is said about Ishmael? Well, when Abraham was upset about sending Ishmael away, this is what happened:

Genesis 21:12

But God said to him, "Do not be so distressed about the boy and your maidservant. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned. I will make the son of the maidservant into a nation also, because he is your offspring."

Also, God tells Hagar that Ishmael will be " 'a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone, and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.' " (Genesis 16:12)

Additionally, when Christ's birth is foretold in the Old Testament (in Jeremiah and Isaiah), it is apparent that Jesus was to be the Son of God, and actually will BE God in the flesh. In Isaiah 7:14, it is said that the One born of a virgin will be called "Immanuel" which means "God with us."
Jesus was literally "God with us." All the signs were in place with the circumstances of His birth.

If you would like to know more, I would gladly discuss it with you. While the Koran has some beautiful teachings, I do not believe it's the word of God.

Edit: And actually, although I don't speak Hebrew, I do have a version of the Bible with the Hebrew words EACH WORD was translated from. If you would like, I can get them for you. If you have any questions about the translation, that is.

Answer 3

As you said in your own words, Jesus is the " Messiah" from God.
And Muhammad is God's prophet.
so how come Muhammad is given a higher 'position' than Jesus?
With the Quran being the word of Muhammad promoted even above the Bible.
And the fact that when the Bible clearly states that Jesus is the SON of God, this fact is not ever mentioned.
The Quran admits it seems, that Jesus was born of VIRGIN BIRTH.
Was Muhammad?
and IF NOT, why is he promoted as being of a higher level than Jesus.?
A 'Messiah' was promised the Jews from the earliest writings of the Old Testament.
This turned out to be Jesus.
When was Muhammed's arrival noted? If noted at all?

Answer 4

"Ishmael became the grandfather of the Arab nation. And Isaac became the grandfather of Jewish nation."
Correction. Though Isaac became tjhe grandfather of the Jews, he was actually the grandfather of the Hebrews-- of which the Jews were but a part of.

Your next statement:
"The prophet spoken of was to come not from among the Jews themselves, but from among their brothers, the Ishmaelites."
What prophet? There is no prophet spoken of in Genesis 21. So you jumped when you shouldn't have. What are you talking about?

If I really want ed answers for this -- bunch of statements and questions-- shorten it and take it one at a time. And for your sake; Get it right. Stop jumping around.

Answer 5

There are so many prophesies of whom the Messiah would be, that it is impossible that Mohammed could be it. Only Christ fulfilled the prophesies. Mohammed is not of the House of David.
You do realize that Jesus is not stressing his seperateness from the Father in Mark 10:18. He is teaching the universality of sin. Your other verses cited too are out of context and do not have the meanings you say they do. Christ is not saying he is a prophet. That is an incorrect interpretation of those verses. You have to read the verses in the context of what they are talking about. The biggest logical conclusion you have is that as a prophet, why would he have to die, he would only have to be crucified if he was the Messiah. He wouldn't have to be crucified if he was a prophet. In fact he was crucified for saying he WAS GOD.

Answer 6

Ishmael was an illegitimate son. Abraham and his servant had this child because Sarah didn't believe that God was going to make good on His promise. The promise of Jesus was to come through Sarah and Abraham. This son that they had was Isaac. Hagar and Ishmael was sent away by Abraham. It was through Isaac that the Savior came, the Savior Jesus Christ.

Answer 7

You are playing loose with the Bible. The Bible clearly referenced the special prophet to be Jesus, who was certainly more than a prophet, but certainly no less! To twist it to mean Muhammad is to engage in, well, Scripture twisting!

Answer 8

Firstly, and I will try to keep this brief and readable, I think you are wrong...

You are misquoting and misrepresenting what the Bible says and means.

Could I suggest that if you wish to debate these issues properly then break them down into manageable portions which can be dealt with in Y.Answers in a sensible fashion.

JB

Answer 9

I'll tell you what I think,..

I think your op-ed piece is entirely too long for this forum! We don't come here to take in a half-semester of Religious Theory, for Pete's sake!!!

Maybe you could help us out with a DIAGRAM next time,.. huh?!?

Or at least a SUMMARY!!!

Geeez!
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Answer 10

that created us and rules over us. But