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-If God is omniscient, it means he knows everything he is going to do.
-If God is omnipotent, it means he has the power to do anything.

So, hypothetically, does God have the power to do something even he didn't know he was going to do?
-If he cannot, it means he is not omnipotent because he does not have the power to do so.
-If he can, it means he is not omniscient because he did not have the knowledge he would do such and action.

Could it be...
Paradox!

2007-03-11 15:50:27 · 6 answers · asked by dmlk2 4 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

And don't be an asshat and say "God wouldn't do that" because because, like all hypothetical questions, it doesn't actually have to happen to discuss. It's hypothetical.

2007-03-11 15:52:19 · update #1

Just fricken answer the question. It's a yes or no question.

newman:
God is omnipresent. He is everywhere. Even in our timeframe, whatever the hell that means. Your answer has simply clarified that he is omniscient. I already know that. He knows everything that could/has/will ever happen. I asked if he could use his infinite POWER to overrule his infinite KNOWLEDGE. Simple question, but you had to dodge it. because you couldn't answer it sufficiently.

redglory:
You should pick up a dictionary before picking up the Bible.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=omniscient&searchmode=none
And saying "All things are possible with God" is the definition of omnipotence. Again, I want to know if his power can overrule his knowledge. And again, question dodged.

2007-03-11 16:37:07 · update #2

keichii:
At least now the other people here can read about what God can and cannot do, because apparently they don't know the definitions of the terms involved.

Lena:
The answer is faith? Wow, thanks. You find a question you can't answer so decide to get two points by saying something completely asinine. Why on earth would I believe in your silly God if he has contradicting qualities? That is what I am trying to clarify right now.

Shawn:
You have dodged the question. All things are possible with God because He is omnipotent. That is the definition. To say my hypothetical scenerio is beyond the realm of possibility is to say that God is not all-powerful after all. Read keichii's answer and see for yourself.

2007-03-11 16:37:34 · update #3

newman:
Maybe it "happens a lot" because you keep dodging the question and expect people to understand your answer as a coherent response. I'm sorry, but I understood you perfectly the first time. To summarize your original point:
I am incorrect in putting God in "our" frame of reference by saying he is omniscient and knows everything he has done in the past/present/future. You make the point that everything he has done/will do/could have done/could ever have done is known to him, and all paths, all possible choices taken and their consequences, are known to him. That is your point.

I said, quite correctly, that what you were simply defining omniscience- God knows everything that has/is/will/might have happened. Now, if God is omnipotent, with the power to do ANYTHING, the question (which you dodged) is "Does he have the ABILITY (power) to do something he could not forsee with this "timeless" knowledge he has?" The point is, no matter the response, these traits are contradictory.

2007-03-12 11:27:53 · update #4

6 answers

Omnipresent-

I Kings 8:27
But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

Omniscience -

Matthew 6:8
For your Heavenly Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.
Acts 15:18
Known to God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Psalm 147:4,5
He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names. Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.

Omnipotent-

Matt 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
Job 42:2
I know that thou can do everything, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
Rev 19:6
…for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

2007-03-11 16:03:34 · answer #1 · answered by keiichi 6 · 0 0

How can God be all-knowing and all-powerful? Personally I cannot see how they would be mutually exclusive, even with your example. In order to be hypothetical, it must fall within the realm of possibility. You need to find an example within the realm of possibility.

If you really want a paradox, go to the hospital, you might even find more than just one pair. :P

2007-03-11 23:13:20 · answer #2 · answered by Shawn D 3 · 0 0

You are putting God in 'OUR' time frame, he is outside of time and he "knows" what he'll do past present and future all at the same "time".

The attribute of omniscience, of knowing all things, must be clarified. Judeo-Christian belief holds that God is timeless. Past, present and future for God can be seen as a whole. This much is commonly asserted. What is sometimes not asserted as a corollary is that God also knows how things would turn out if differently had a different path been taken at every potential choice-making nexus. God knew you would turn left at Main Street this morning; but He also knows what would have happened had you turned right.

*edit* i love the thumbs down from angry atheists who hates it when a christian makes logical sense....gosh darn it

*EDIT* DODGE THE QUESTION??? You're kidding right *sigh* I had a feeling you wouldn't understand and you proved me right....happens alot don't worry...lol

*edit again* you mentioned he "could not foresee" which just proves you did NOT either read my response or didn't UNDERSTAND it which is obviously the case. Let me guess, u still don't get it.....

2007-03-11 22:54:51 · answer #3 · answered by Angie 1 · 1 4

This is a question of faith. And what is your purpose in life? What you believe about God is just that (About!) Take it one step further and believe in Him! There is no direct answer except that of faith. We will no all the answers when we get to heaven if you believe in Jesus Christ! John 3:16.

2007-03-11 23:05:57 · answer #4 · answered by Lena H 1 · 0 0

Omniscient actually means "All seeing"... which means he knows all that goes on...

and yes, He is both.

How is this possible? Because He is God. All things are possible with God. Nothing is impossible with God. And everything works out according to his will, and his purpose.

2007-03-11 22:55:39 · answer #5 · answered by redglory 5 · 1 2

God is so much more advanced than man, we will never fully comprehend all that He is. If he told us, we still wouldn't get it. Just trust the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul.

2007-03-13 00:22:14 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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