What do you think of this argument that there is God?

Question

If we throw the dice, the chance of obtaining double 6 is (1 in 36). What this means is that on average if we throw the dice 1000 times, the chances are that we should get double 6 around 27 times. Now if we throw the dice 1000 times and we obtain double 6 every single throw then there is a design, a system or a controlling force behind the throws. We can hardly call it chance.

The science of Genetics offers vivid evidence that chance could not be a factor in the process of creation due to the very precise combinations necessary in the building of cells. These requisite combinations defy all laws of probabilities.

On a larger scale, We only need to look at the universe to be able to marvel at the endless examples of precision and beautiful design. Every field of scientific knowledge seems to testify to the existence of a master creator. It does not seem difficult to dismiss the possibility of chance.

Answer 1

Well, for one, you (or I) need not prove that God exists. Because HE DOES. It is a different matter that many people do not believe in his existence. Which is just fair. Because we don't believe in their existence either.

If you want to know exactly how, when & why of the creation of the universe & from the authority who created it, read the Quran, or its English translation & look at the details contained therein concerning all aspects of science, astronomy, creation, what we know as well as things that we as yet don't know.

And i would like to answer those who even ask: "Who created the creator?". The term creator is self explanatory. He is the creator, not the created. The act of being created etc is limited to us. Even we create so many things. Those who created this computer, this internet, who created them? You may say (if you do not believe in God) that they are self-created. Then why can't you accept the same thing about God that he is self created.??

Answer 2

If that were so - the precise combination of cells thing - then why are there genetic mutations? Why are slight shifts in DNA taking place even now? Why is it a 50/50 chance that the proper enzyme will fire at just the right time to make your child a boy or a girl? And furthermore, if we were intelligently designed, why is it that the removal of one gene can create a mentally handicapped child? If God really put all that thought into it, shouldn't he have made us a little less fragile, a little more sturdy, genetically speaking? EVERYTHING about life is pure chance. Being born at all is all by chance.


"Now if we throw the dice 1000 times and we obtain double 6 every single throw then there is a design, a system or a controlling force behind the throws. We can hardly call it chance." You're right - we can't call it chance, we call it loaded dice. It's not all that easy to dismiss, as far as I'm concerned.

Answer 3

Your right, it is too much to attribute to chance. I don't think anyone out there thinks cells just happened by chance, they came about by evolution and natural selection.
As for the precision involved in the universe, i fail to see any for of precision out there that cannot be explained by physics (or that look to point to intelligent design rather than complex physics).
Natural selection and evolution accounts for how things develop over time, this is not rolls of a dice which produce a yes or no result. Cells genetic structure didn't appear out of nowhere, they evolved over time and became more complex.
The orbit of planets around stars, stars around Galaxy's etc, are not a precise thing created by a superior intelligence, why then would there be an erratic slant to Pluto's orbit, or why would some planets fail to form, or collide with others?
The complexity of the world does not point towards a guiding force called God, because there is no precision in the universe. There are aberrations in genetics, there are useless organs in evolved organisms. There are stars which collapse, and there are planets that are flung out of orbit.

Answer 4

As a matter of fact, i think very little of it.

There is an organizing force in the universe. It's called the LAWS OF NATURE. Nobody suggests that snowflakes require a god because of the odds against those trillions of molecules randomly falling into a six-way pattern. Same with the universe.

The reason genetics appears to defy probability is because evolution does NOT rely on mere chance. You've been profoundly misinformed on that point. Natural selection weeds out the bad combinations until what's left is what works.

(And no, before you bring it up, the laws of nature do not require a lawgiver. They aren't like human laws; it's just a coincidence that we use the same word. Laws of nature are not imposed on nature like human laws, but are *properties* of nature. They are descriptions of the way things *are*.)

Answer 5

This argument does not prove the existance of god. What it does do is raise the possibility that god should at least be considered as a possible cause. I believe that george schlishinger, in his book "New perspectives on old time religion," offered a better example. If someone where to win the lottery ( 1 in oh, say an hundered millon) several weeks in a row, it would be logical to assume that there was some cheating involved. Why then, if the probablility of existance is similar to the probablility of winning the lottery three weeks in a row, do we just look at chance rather than the possibility of some intervention.
Not really an argument for the existance of god, but an argument to keep one's mind open to the possbility.
As to the other answers here, Aquinas was brilliant, but his arguments for god sucked.

Answer 6

"The science of Genetics offers vivid evidence that chance could not be a factor in the process of creation due to the very precise combinations necessary in the building of cells. These requisite combinations defy all laws of probabilities."

Yea...what creationist site did you get that from?

Answer 7

Yes. Nothing happens by chance. You as a conscious person possessing intelligence and mind, desired to type and words appear on the computer screen.

It is not that the different combination of alphabets, A to Z, appeared in a very intelligent way. What are the chances for above sentence to appear in the way it appears above?. There is the person "I" behind those sentences. Similarly, there is a PERSON behind the creation who says, as per the bible, let there be creation and the creation happens.

The details of creation may vary from religion to religion, but the principle is the same.

Answer 8

I've heard of this argument and I have played the dice game myself many times. I've also read about genetics. I agree that the mathematical evidence of the universe deserves to be examined as evidence of a creator. I think that humans are a little too emotionally connected to the idea of God, no offense--I believe in God, too, I just mean that it's really not so hard for me to imagine that our universe is tiny in a gigantic one and we are just an experiment done by some brilliant scientist that is unaware that we are aware of a creator.

Answer 9

V.Good! nicely described. Agreed 100%.
It is not only creation, as the creation is the act of a Creator. His initial programming, the timeless and abrupt well composed idea about an identity, to emerge it from nothing to something. After creation, the process of production, the growth, development, the time based process of an already created identity, from something to some other thing, is the most complicated process, that is totally impossible to get processed/completed by chance.
In Holy Qur'an, the word Khalque, Takhleeque, is used as the same word giving two meanings. When Allah almighty is saying emerging something from nothing, it means the creation and when almighty He says the same from something to some other thing, it is meant here the production.
So After the creation of the whole set of creatures by Allah almighty in first six days of this universe, almighty He threw it in the ocean of time to get all the created identities be produced, one by one, through a continuous process of growth, evolution, development and expansion/contraction of the universe environment as a huge living body, with unlimited number of creatures getting produced within it.
All machinery of this universe was not possible just by chance, as per ridicules idea of atheists.

May Allah almighty raise our level of awareness about almighty Him. Aamin.

Answer 10

Again. An easy counter to that "intelligent design" thing is Unintelligent design. Sure you can point out many things that look too intricate to occur randomly. But you can also find many things that make you go wtf was the creator thinking when he designed that. Bottom line is if you are going to accept intelligent design you must also accept unintellignet design. Then again the universe is about 14-15 billion years old. It's billion with a b. Also hypothetically let's say you have a one trillion sided dice(that's why i said hypothetically). The chances of it landing on one are 1:1:000,000,000,000. But who ever said that you couldn't roll a one on your very first try.

Answer 11

You are right about one thing there is a creative force behind all this but how do you know it is a God? What is this God character anyway?

Don't forget to mention in quantum physics they have determined the particle and the wave is different from one observer to the next. Given this information don't exclude yourself as a possible creative God.

The religious will one day learn each individual is the creative force in the universe. You are no less creative as God. You have yet to meet your true self.