Are gangs a big enough reason for LA to reconsider its sanctuary policy?

Question

"A spot check by federal agents has identified 59 street gang members in Southern California jails who are illegal immigrants subject to deportation, sparking a debate about the role of border enforcement in the region's battle against violent gangs.

The initial identification of deportable gang members came during a first-of-its-kind screening of a portion of jail inmates last month.

The review will continue, and officials expect during the first year to identify 700 to 800 gang members who are illegal immigrants, according to Jim Hayes, director of the Los Angeles field office for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

The results so far have some officials convinced that border enforcement needs to be a big part of combating the gang problem."

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gangs10mar10,1,4694396.story?track=rss

Stepfordwife, typically they serve their sentence first but previously weren't checked for immigration status unless the crime was of a certain proven level. Gang 'tagging' and tattoos wouldn't be enough, for example.

Chee, the reports of police seeing MS13 members and others they KNOW have been deported, but being unable to apprehend them because they don't witness another crime allowing them to look into immigration status has at least lead Special Order 40 to be amended to ask where police KNOW someone has been deported. I think they should be able to walk up to a group of gang members, not in jail, and check immigration status and deport all those, and all parents of those, here illegally.

I think THAT will greatly reduce the gang problem.

Answer 1

At first glance, it seems obvious that the alien gang members should be deported, but until there is better border security, they just come right back. Those that do not come back are able to stregthen gang ties in their countries, where police are corrupt. This makes the gang more dangerous in their countries and more people come here illegally fleeing the gangs. At least three times a week, I talk to someone who has come in illegally because the gang has threatened to kill them. Deportation alone is not solving the problem, it is actually making the problem worse. I think that there should be sentence enhancements for crimes committed as part of a gang. That way they are in prison much longer where they cannot just get deported and come back and continue the criminal activity.

Answer 2

Of course gangs (and crime in general) are a good enough reason for LA to reconsider... but it doesn't mean they will. Let's face it - gang and crimes have been an issue there for a long time, but so far there's been very little effort to reduce the illegal population. What makes us believe they're going to start now? Notice that it says "have SOME officials convinced"... I'm sure it's a small portion.
As much as I'd like to see them go back home, instead of us taxpayers footing the bill for their incarceration, I don't think that deportation is always the answer when an illegal has been arrested and/or convicted of a crime in the US. Some of these crimes deserve life sentences - and we're sending them back home? I'm not sure how that works (time to do some research)... I'm assuming they don't serve out their sentence in a Mexican jail, but are then free in their home country, free to come back here and commit another crime.
Sorry... sore subject for me. I have family whose lives were torn apart by an illegal (we're pretty sure) just north of the Mexico border in TX, and he's never been caught. To be honest, the cops didn't even seem to make that much of an effort.

Answer 3

It should be, but from what I can see of their Mayor and other figureheads it won't happen. Personally I feel that a "sanctuary city" should not receive any federal support, money/grants etc. Nothing!! Sanctuary city's should be prosecuted for aiding and abetting illegal aliens. But again this will never happen.
"For the month of February, 290 inmates at Los Angeles County jails were determined to be in this country illegally, and 24 of those, about 8%, were determined to be associated with street gangs.

A similar survey was done for the 816 inmates red-flagged in jails in the seven Southern California counties served by Hayes' office. That survey, which includes Orange, Riverside and San Bernardino counties, identified 59 gang members, or 7% of those facing deportation.

On any given day, Los Angeles County jails have about 19,500 inmates, including about 4,500 gang members, said Steve Whitmore, a Sheriff's Department spokesman. He said up to 25% of the inmates in the jail are believed to be foreign nationals."

^^^Those are some scary numbers and will continue to climb. With a lax border these criminals will be back here within 3-5 months.(if not sooner) More than likely committing another crime and being housed with tax payers money. LA has brought the gang problems onto themselves, and until they throw out the sanctauary policy it will continue to climb, but they won't throw it out, because they want to think they know best. That is what it has come down to, stubborness.

Answer 4

Apparently it's not. The LA Sheriff (lee Baca) won't even admit that the gang problem is a direct result of ILLEGAL aliens (interview with former Senator Fred Thompson). Of course Baca has to answer to Tony "Vill-laraza" and doesn't want to upset him.

Baca flat out lied in the interview. He claimed that the Mexican gangs are based on the large increase of Hispanics into the area. It wasn't because of the increase in ILLEGALS.

Answer 5

I used to be a color-blind , I'm a world-citizen, let's buy everyone a coke idealist. Most of my life, most all my friends were NOT European Americans.

But then one day a light bulb flashed in my head. When I traveled across town or went into the big city near where I lived, I had to stear clear of certain dangerous areas. Then, I analyzed what made those areas dangerous and who mainly lived in those dangerous areas. Then my color-blind glasses started to slide off.

When I started seeing sullen, pissed off looking gang banger types and assorted thugs and noticed that most all of them were NOT white, my color blind glasses started to slide off even more.

Then, when I realized that 30,000 white women are rapped each year by black males and that whites are 17 times more likely to be killed by black males than a white male -- my "we are the world" glasses fell off entirely.

Then when I realized the horrific gang crisis in America and the growing problem of it due to illegal immigration it further evolved my views.

When I realized the US is flooding with foreigners, and that even though we're at war with fanatical Islam, the US is importing thousands of muslims, I realized America is in horrific shape.

Then when I realized that virtually every ethnic group in America has PAC's, politicians, professors, media shills and street-action groups except for European Americans I realized America is DEAD. Why?

Because if these people truly wanted to be Americans, there would be NO need for these PAC's. Which do nothing but fragment society and divide Americans.

So my answer to your question is, not only should LA rethink it's Sanctuary policy but the whole nation (what's left of it) needs to rethink it's foreign policy and it's immigration policy. Because the scary fact is, future America looks like a gang infested inner city.

(By the way, while I have become ethno-centric (I take pride in my heritage) that in no way means I'm a supremacist or anything like that. What it does mean is I'm thinking the way the average minority does. I want to advance my people, I care about my people. I have a duty to help my people. I also care about non-whites and wish their homelands the best. I want to just be left alone and not have to be constantly yelled at about my ethnic heritage. I starting to really think Malcom X's idea about everyone living off in their own ethnic state in North America sounds like a good idea.)

Answer 6

Should not even have to reconsider anything. Any city that declares itself sanctuary in defiance of Federal law should immediately be put under martial law and it's leaders incarcerated. All federal funds should be cut off. (This proposal was put before our elected officials and they voted it down.)
Look at LA's mayor, Antonio Villaraigosa, A La Raza racist who believes in reconquista.

LA will never reconsider their policy until the federal government grows some huevos and does something about it. Otherwise welcome to the Mexican style of government and reconquista. Mexifornia is a reality

Follow the link to read up on Villaraigosa. The statements are accurate except the Latino majority in Los Angeles DID vote him in.

Answer 7

You would think. But Chicago and it's suburbs are filled with violent gangs and they welcome illegals with open arms. These morons are even cutting the police force because they're so much in debt. Funny how both these places are bidding for the Olympics ( I think LA is the competition)........welcome world to cities with the biggest gangs!

Answer 8

Dar do you really think that if they deported all 59 illegals it would make a noticeable dent in the gang activity in S Cali? The very idea of it is ludicrous, have you any idea of the numbers and ethnicity of all of the gangs operating in that area?

Answer 9

yes we need border enforcement enforced. the illegal gang members are only selling the drugs for the Mexican drug lords. we need to have our border patrol officers armed and able to defend their self's.