God did not have death as part of his original design. Do u Agree or Disagree?

Question

Personally I think Adam and Eve were created to die. The only thing that sustained their life was the proximity to the tree of life.

Answer 1

Yes...death is part of the merciful plan of the creator. It is what sends us on to perfection.

Answer 2

The original design is not seen yet, so strongly agree.
They were free moral agents, so disagree somewhat. When the full mystery is known this may need a little rewrite.

God has certain attributes or qualities as expressed throughout Scripture and the reflection of nature. One of those attributes is to be a saviour.

For God to express himself as a saviour requires someone to save. Death was not part of the original design or spiritual creation and will not be part of the new one. It became a possibility in the physical creation once Eve was separated as an inherent spiritual part of Adam.

If you read Genesis closely you will find that there was a woman in the garden. Her name was Adam. When God called Adam they both answered.

The name Eve was given to her after the fall. That is why she takes the man's name. It is symbolic that she once went by the name Adam. Now woman attempt to gain the same thing through position, rights, power, etc.

God cannot express Himself as a saviour with nothing to save! Still they were not created to die. The woman died by deception. The man died by choice to go with her. What you have to deal with now is that God knows the end from the beginning.

Most will say if God knows, then it can't be fair. Paul deals with a question like this in the book of Romans. When we consider what the Bible says about some things we are left with no questions. Sometimes the answer is closed off -- simply, does the pot have a say over what the potter does?

Again I agree with your first question on design, but do not agree on them being created to die. That a saviour God needed a subject to save may bring you to conclude that you are correct. But let me put this forward.

If you have ever delt with children you may have come to an instance where you instruct, admonish and guide a child to certain goals and achievements or to clear certain troubles. Even then you know in your heart that this one particular kid is going to mess up while the rest may sail on.

Does knowing what is going to happen negate the free will of the child who fails? Can you handcuff this child to you as a solution? I don't think so. Does our not knowing inhibit God's perfect will. Further God can work things out for the child that failed, when for you it may be a total disaster. You may argue that my knowing and God's are not the same; but I will leave it there.

I am reminded of the Scripture where Jesus asked who would be more gratefull -- The man that was forgiven more or the man that was forgiven less?

Now I think life is the rule and I would point out that only God has life and it is true that everything that has a beginning will have an end. Now you will say that I must agree with all you have said. Death by the hand of evil is not an end with the creator God. We live, if we live by the tree of life, in an unfolding. The creation we now observe is holding yet another creation which God started at Calvary. It is a creation which science, philosophy and religion is mostly not tuned into.

It is a creation wherein God has cloned Himself through Jesus Christ to bring forth a new heaven and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness. There is a Scripture which says that those in the past cannot be made perfect without us.
So death was not part of the original design. Adam and Eve were not created to die, although God had foreknowledge of this and it served His purpose. In His purpose is every good and perfect gift which cometh down from above.

Answer 3

Oh! Agree! God's creation was perfect. Death was not figured in the design, even though I have no doubt that God knew ahead of time that it would come into it with the fall of man. That is why God had to expell them from the Garden of Eden. They had become the imperfect ones in Gods perfectly designed place. Had man not fallen Adam would be alive today with not a not a sign of a single day's aging. We would be talking to him and seeing God face to face. And, yes, Adam and Eve would be the only ones on the planet without bellybuttons. =)

Now an interesting question would be: Would the Tree of Life need to be propagated to sustain all those decendants? =)

Answer 4

You are right that death was not part of God's original design. That came later. Humans were originally designed with perfect bodies, and they lived in a perfect atmosphere and ate perfect food. It was intended to last forever. It wasn't until the entrance of sin that all this came to a screeching halt, and the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics took over. Everything began to die and wear out, and need constant renewal.

Answer 5

"I totally agree with you, but who are we against the Word of God?"
LOL. Nah, good thought, but wrong according to it's source the Bible. Adam and Eve were created perfect. Through Adam we inherited Sin and therefore we die. Isn't it interesting that the one chromosome that is responsible for us dying is passed on by our fathers and not our mothers?

Answer 6

If you believe that stuff is literally true then he had to have. God is defined as omniscient. This means he knows everything there is to know. He had to know that Adam and Eve would break his rules and yet he created them anyway. Of course his actions after the fact makes it pretty clear that he is not omniscient.

Answer 7

The story of Adam and Eve is a myth. No one was born to live forever except in the next life.

Answer 8

I believe just the opposite. I believe that God created the human race to live forever - but sickness and death are a result of the "Fall".

Remember - at the end of every "day" of creation...God proclaimed it "good". Death...is NOT good.

This is why I am a Thomist and not a Calvinist.

We are naturally "fallen" - not naturally "evil". Or even "totally depraved". That just doesn't fit with Scripture.

Answer 9

I dont think they were created to die because God almost seemed confused and certainly enraged when they disobeyed him.

I agree though that our bodies and DNA before the fall were probably very close to pure and perfect.

Answer 10

Being a believer in God and not the bible, I think God designed us to live,learn, and die..