A friend of mine was murdered with an Eastern European Makarov gun. According to the newspapers, this gun fires an unusually large bullet that does not leave a ballistic pattern when it leaves the barrel.
Is this true?
2007-03-08 05:19:10 · 12 answers · asked by Even_Now 1 in Politics & Government ➔ Law Enforcement & Police
No. Not in the context in which you are asking. A Makarov is like any other gun and will leave a ballistics pattern. The pattern comes from the rifling on the inside of the barrel. No two barrels are alike and a barrel will always leave a pattern on a remaining bullet after discharge. Even un-rifled barrels will leave some distinct pattern.
What is true is that ballistics evidence cannot be gathered from hollow point ammunition. Hollow point bullets have a pit, or hollowed out shape causing the bullet to expand upon entering a soft target in order to increase the amount damage inflicted. This expansion produces no remaining bullet to perform ballistics studies on, thereby rendering ballistics testing and ballistics fingerprinting useless. Law Enforcement use hollow point ammunition in order to more effectively stop a lethal threat and to reduce risk of bystanders being hit by over-penetrating or ricocheted bullets
The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibits the use in warfare of bullets which easily expand or flatten in the body. Although this is the most common type of bullet used by civilians and law enforcement.
Many people are under the assumption that hollow points are outlawed in the U.S. for civilian use, but this is untrue. They are however harder to find. It is stupid that our military may not use these, but everyone else may. They are more effective in military/law enforcement use.
Edit: Ice bullets, meat bullets, etc. dont work. That's a total myth which goes against the basic operating principals of firearms. Ice bullets are vaporized immediately without even exiting the barrel. Meat bullets spray and fragment on contact.
2007-03-08 05:38:32 · answer #1 · answered by Nationalist 4 · 1⤊ 1⤋
You know what? I've seen a CZ-82 in 9mm Makarov with a smooth bore barrel. I have no idea what the purpose for that is. They'd be illegal to own, all smoothbore barrels must be longer than 18". Some old law to keep people from sawing off shotguns.
It's not an unusally large bullet however, it'd be the same BULLET as what most people refer to as the 9mm. When you say 9mm, you mean the 9mm Luger, 9mm Parabellum, or 9x19. They all mean the same cartridge. There's also the 9x21, the 9x17 more commonly known as the .380 Browning, or .380 Auto, and most importantly, the 9x18 or 9mm Makarov, a Soviet round. They all shoot the same bullet, the cartridges are just different lengths. Of course you could say all pistol chamberings shoot an unusually large bullet in proportion to the case if you compare them to rifles. Just how it's done.
All pistols and rifles have a rifled barrel, which would in turn leave some "tracks" on the bullet. I assume that's what you mean by "ballistic pattern". I've seen a Makarov with a smooth barrel, I ordered it for a guy and he noticed the barrel he was pissed. I was too since the distributor sent me an illegal gun. I sent it back and I don't know what happened to it, but there was never any rifleing in that barrel, so some must have been made that way. In any case I can tell you that most of the 82's as well as other Soviet pistols chambered in 9mm Makarov do not smooth barrels. Your example is the only other one I've heard of, but I haven't really asked around or researched either. If you know what model it was, you should post it on here, I'd be curious to know if it was another CZ-82. I'm gonna have to watch out for those.
If anyone else is reading this, that shouldn't reflect poorly on the contemporary CZ company, which I think makes fantastic products. This is an old design from when they were under communist rule. Their quality has come up a lot.
2007-03-08 17:32:59 · answer #2 · answered by Conrad 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
No, it's not true. I've owned a Makarov. They are a 9X18 round. It's a 9mm and there's slightly more powder than a .380 but not as much as a normal 9mm. The only way there's be no ballistics would be if they filed out all of the lands and mines of the riffling in the barrel and if they did that, there would be no accuracy what so ever and the only way it could kill would be point blank.
Looks like you have the same problem we have here in the US, a lying liberal media.
I do own a bullet that no ballistics can be gotten from it and it is a 9mm but it's very special. The bullet is highly pressed bronze and upon impact it turns to dust.
2007-03-08 14:39:54 · answer #3 · answered by Kevin A 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Some of the newer black powder rifles will not leave rifling marks on the round. This is due to a plastic covering around the projectile, like the wadding of a shotgun shell. The wadding is the only piece to touch the barrel, not the round. imagine showing up on scene and thnking someoneon got shot w/ a .45 cal pistol w/ no markings. Come to find out it was from 200 yards away. The wadding will come out of the weapon about 15 feet. But, as i said the weapon is accurate like any other rifle. It can be fired from a great distance. Would anyone look? Would someone have time to pick up the trace evidence?
2007-03-08 15:00:32 · answer #4 · answered by wfsgymwear 3 · 0⤊ 1⤋
No, it isn't true. There was an attempt to produce a gun that used a bullet crafted out of ice which would melt away after doing it's deadly harm, but it didn't work out. All firearms produce a distinctive pattern of marks on their projectiles once said projectiles are fired - smooth-bore weapons included.
2007-03-08 14:04:20 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 0⤋
No, this is not true...The markov is basically an ak-47 and they do leave a ballistic patter....The newspapers got that wrong. A shot gun with a smooth bore....possibly...its very tough to prove those. But not a Markov
2007-03-08 13:23:39 · answer #6 · answered by zebj25 6 · 2⤊ 2⤋
They are working on an ICE bullet
I don't know if they have perfected that yet.
I don't think there is a modern available to the public gun that can do that
2007-03-08 13:55:34 · answer #7 · answered by Crystal Blue 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋
many firearms don't have rifling that cuts grooves in the bullet, but all of them still leave marks on the bullet of some kind
2007-03-08 13:29:51 · answer #8 · answered by kapute2 5 · 4⤊ 0⤋
Shotshells
2007-03-08 17:54:33 · answer #9 · answered by WC 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Not so. Even a shotgun marks the projectiles, although they are not as traceable as normal bullets.
2007-03-08 13:26:50 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 0⤋