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Did Jesus ever say he was God and to pray to him? What scriptures actually show that God, Jesus AND holy spirit are in one form?

2007-03-08 02:21:36 · 8 answers · asked by CHRISTINA 4 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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It doesn't. And neither is the concept. According to trinitarian rules contained in the Athanasian Creed, "There is One Father, not Three Fathers; one Son, not Three Sons; One Holy Ghost, not Three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other, None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal."

Does the Bible support the definition of the trinity? Far from it! There is no verse in the Bible that says the Father, Son, and holy spirit are co-equal and co-eternal.

Trinitarians try to use a spurious verse in the King James Bible to prove that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are in one form. That verse is 1 John 5:7. But that is incorrect. All that verse says is that the three are one. In the Bible, the word "one" is used to denote agreement, harmony. At Gen. 2:24, it says that a man and his wife would become one flesh--meaning they would be in agreement. At John 17:22, Jesus prayed for that same harmony among his followers, saying: "...that they may be one just as we (Jesus and his Father) are one.

Jesus never said he was God or God the Son. At John 10:36, he said: "I am God's Son."

2007-03-08 02:37:28 · answer #1 · answered by LineDancer 7 · 1 1

God Is Three Persons. The fact that God is three persons means that the Father is not the Son; they are distinct persons. It also means that the Father is not the Holy Spirit, but that they are distinct persons. And it means that the Son is not the Holy Spirit. In addition to the fact that all three persons are distinct, the abundant testimony of Scripture is that each person is fully God as well. Scripture is abundantly clear that there is one and only one God. The three different persons of the Trinity are one not only in purpose and in agreement on what they think, but they are one in essence, one in their essential nature. In other words, God is only one being. There are not three Gods. There is only one God.

The duality of Christ's nature, human and divine, cannot be fully and definitively answered. If we could, we would possess divine minds ourselves. That said, we theologians have made progress at trying to understand the concepts of the Trinity of God and God the Son's role in that Trinitarian doctrine. There are three persons in the Godhead, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one true, eternal God, the same in substance, equal in power and glory; although distinguished by their personal properties. Jesus clearly stated his divinity in

Joh 8:58: Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."

Or

Mar 14:61 But he remained silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?"
Mar 14:62 And Jesus said, "I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven."
Mar 14:63 And the high priest tore his garments and said, "What further witnesses do we need?
Mar 14:64 You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision?" And they all condemned him as deserving death.

As you can see, the high priest fully understood that Jesus was claiming that He was in fact God. Some knowledge of the original Greek is warranted here, particularly the term, "Son the blessed". But there is no doubt that Christ was claiming to be God. The Jews hearing his claim understood exactly what He was saying and planned to stone Him.

In short, Jesus’ human nature could be tempted. He thirsted, hungered, and at times was full of righteous anger. Yet He never sinned. If He did, we are all lost and God is not God. Christ also was God with all of God's attributes, and these two natures existed in a hypostatic (fundamental state) union.

I doubt I can improve upon the discussion of Christ's dual nature that is found at http://www.carm.org/doctrine/2natures.htm

See also the following bible verses for…

One God and Only One God: Isaiah 44:6-8; Deuteronomy 4:35, 39; Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29; Romans 3:30; Ephesians 4:5-7; 1 Timothy 2:5; James 2:19

Trinity doctrine: Isaiah 9:6; Luke 24:52; John 1:1-3; John 10:30; Philippians 2:5-7; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:3

I suggest you start there to dig deeper into this topic.

2007-03-08 11:27:19 · answer #2 · answered by Ask Mr. Religion 6 · 0 0

God is Elohim - which means three Gods in One - which are Jesus, Holy Spirit, Father God - all three Godhead - all three Spirit of God. Listen - Jesus was 100% God and 100% man - he was God incarnate - He was God and is still God - Spirit of God.

All three have separate functions though - Jesus is our Savior, God incarnate, in the flesh - Father God is Creator - Holy Spirit is God within us - we receive the Holy Spirit when we have salvation.

Listen - it may hard to understand but many, many times Jesus said "I and the Father are one" - I can give you more Scriptures - but these are basic truths that must be believed - Jesus was and is God - John 1:1 says "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus) and the Word with with God and the Word WAS God." There it is - in black and white - read and believe. Blessings to you dear one - I pray you find the Truth and that is Jesus and Him alone.

PS the word Trinity does not appear in the bible - but it is a basic truth - Elohim meaning Triune God - three Gods in one - that is what the Trinity means also. Man put this word out there - but means the same thing.

2007-03-08 10:29:09 · answer #3 · answered by jworks79604 5 · 1 1

The concept of the trinity was introduced to Christianity in the 4th century by an Irish educated Bishop named Hillary of Poitiers. There is no earlier reference to it anywhere.

2007-03-08 11:52:49 · answer #4 · answered by rich k 6 · 0 1

"Trinity" is a word used by Messianic Jews and Christians to describe God's Triune nature; this nature is elaborated upon in many places, even in the Old Testament.

1) The word translated as "God" in our Bibles is the Hebrew word "Elohim," which is a pleural word meaning "Gods."

2) God refers to Himself in the pleural; see Genesis 1:26a. There is no evidence this is the "royal we," as some try to argue.

3) There are instances in the Bible where God the Father speaks to God the Son (Jesus Christ, a.k.a. The Word). In Psalm 45:6-7, the writer states: "Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A scepter of equity is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness, and hated wickedness: Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows." Notice that the word God is actually applied to two different Persons within these two verses. He is addressing God, and after addressing God, he says that another God had anointed the first God with the oil of gladness above "your" fellows. It should be noted that in this verse the first Elohim is being addressed. The second Elohim is the God of the first Elohim. Therefore, it is God’s God who has anointed Him with the oil of gladness. Another example may be found at Hosea 1:7.

4) Then there are Scriptural sources that reference ALL THREE Persons of the Trinity: Father, Son and Spirit:

Isaiah 42:1 "Behold, My [Father] Servant [Son], whom I uphold; My Chosen, in whom My soul delights: I have put My Spirit [Holy Spirit] upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles."

The first Person is the speaker, who is seen by the pronouns "my" and "I." The second Person is the speaker's "servant," the servant of Jehovah. And the third Person is the "Spirit" of God. Scripture repeatedly identifies Jesus Christ as God the Father's "Servant."

Isaiah 61:1 is a second example:

"The Spirit [person #1] of the Lord Jehovah [person # 2] is upon me [person # 3]; because Jehovah has anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he has sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;…" Again, there are three individuals: the Lord Jehovah; the Spirit of Jehovah; and the speaker ("me"). We know from Luke 4:18 that the person referring to Himself as "Me" is Jesus Christ.

5) Many folks, when disputing the Triune nature of God, use Deut. 6:4 as proof that "God is One," not "three Gods in One." However, they misunderstand the Hebrew word used there and its context. The Hebrew word translated as "one" is "echad." This word DOES NOT state an "absolute one," it states a "compound One" that fully supports the Trinity. Look at these Biblical verses that ALL use "echad": Gen. 1:5 & 2:24; Ezra 2:64; Ezekiel 37:17. Here, we see a PLEURALITY that is joined into a singular, yet the pleurality of this One is still recognized. Conversely, the Hebrew word "yachid" means an "ABSOLUTE ONE," and can be seen at places such as Gen. 22:2, where it's translated as "only." NEVER is God refered to as "yachid," which would be necessary in order for anti-Trinitarians to be correct.

Jesus accepted worship and never discouraged anyone from doing this. See Matt. 2:11, 8:2, 9:8, 14:33, 15:25, 28:9, and in 6 other places.

There is MUCH more proof of the Trinity in the Bible. If you want more information, send me a message through YA and I'd be happy to send it to you.

2007-03-08 10:30:07 · answer #5 · answered by Suzanne: YPA 7 · 1 3

God is of one mind and one purpose, But the trinity was defined by man.

2007-03-08 10:27:45 · answer #6 · answered by G's Random Thoughts 5 · 0 0

1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

2007-03-08 10:30:56 · answer #7 · answered by deacon 6 · 2 1

It doesn't.

2007-03-08 10:26:34 · answer #8 · answered by mzJakes 7 · 0 1

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