The Christian list of why homosexual marriage is wrong, is this all of it?

Question

I recently read in a Christian magazine called "Message" a list of 8 reasons why homosexual marriage is wrong, while attempting to leave religion out of it:

1. Long-term pshychological effects on children
2. Natural progress from same-sex marriage to polygamy
3. Increased strain on health care system because of newly eligible partners
4. Children unwittingly adopted by same sex couples
5. Increased strain on social security
6. Potential erosion of religious freedom
7. Impact on other nations that follow the U.S. lead
8. Public schools would be required to teach on the subject of same-sex marriage.

Here's my rebuttal:
1. I've yet to see a study that shows any adverse psychological effects on children of homosexual marriage that is unique to them.
2. How does monogamous marriage of any kind lead to polygamy?
3. So these people shouldn't even get married to a member of the opposite sex?
4. See #1
5. See #3
6. Do you mean religions' freedom to deny freedom to others?

7. It's debatable how many countries still follow us lock and step... but even so, see #1 again. You still have to prove this is a bad thing.
8. Again see #1.

Are there more reasons than this? Because this is a pretty pathetic list. From what I can tell, Christians who oppose same-sex marriage do so for no better reason than the bible says it's bad.... and this is nothing more than imposing one's personal religious beliefs on another person, which is not what this country is about.

Come on. Some one take up the challenge here. Show me why it's wrong without using the word bible or quoting a verse.

For the record, I'm not homosexual. But I'm disgusted by the way they get treated, and it makes me embarrased for the country I love.

One last detail..
I know that a lot of Christians are watching the questions tonight, but I find it interesting that the only ones who see fit to answer this one can only give a "because the bible says so" answer.

How can you be ok with imposing your religion on other people? How would you like it if there was a mass movement of Muslims and Jews who wanted pork outlawed? Heck, at least with the pork thing, there's the health excuse.

Answer 1

1. Long-term pshychological effects on children
That is total Bullsh!t and no study shows it has any shred of fact in it

2. Natural progress from same-sex marriage to polygamy
HOW? WTF?

3. Increased strain on health care system because of newly eligible partners
Well I would say most have jobs that have their own benefits

4. Children unwittingly adopted by same sex couples
OH HELP US! how is the pastor gonna rape the kid if it is infected with gay parents?

5. Increased strain on social security
So they didn't exist before they got married? Are gays making gay frankenstein spouses and then enrolling them for social security?

6. Potential erosion of religious freedom
How? How the hell does the freedom of religion get hurt by letting the state marry homosexuals?

7. Impact on other nations that follow the U.S. lead
Well it is already legal in Sweden I believe and there are more countries..seems we are behind on this one

8. Public schools would be required to teach on the subject of same-sex marriage.
Why are schools teaching about marriage anyway..ANY marriage? I don't remember reading, writing, arithmatic, marriage. I must have skipped school a lot and blocked it from my memory.



IKB: Biology doesn't ALLOW FOR MARRIAGE AT ALL! biologically men are supposed to spread their seed far and wide...not with only one woman. And you are 100% incorrect about homosexuality..check your biology classes since homosexuality is genetic. The rest of your answer is drivel

Answer 2

It has been proven time and time again through numerous research papers that there are no psychological effects on children living in a family with same sex parents, nor are they harassed or victimised by their peers (except in cases of narrow minded parents breeding and raising narrow minded children who don't even understand what they're saying when they copy their parents and call others "fag" and "gay"). Why would schools be forced to teach on homosexual marriage when they hardly teach the values of a heterosexual marriage? And adopted children? I believe that as long as that child is cared for, given a loving home and provided the same opportunities as every other child then what difference does it make where you grow up? You could be adopted out to an abusive home or a homosexual home - which is worse? (And it would be the abusive home that puts a strain on community resources such as police and emerency accommodation).

Finally, Erosion of religious freedom. Now thats interesting. What about religious freedom not to follow a religion at all, or not to follow a mainstream religion and instead follow, for example, paganism? What about my religious freedom not to believe in sin and heaven and hell? I guess religious freedom only applies to the religious.

Answer 3

What is wrong with homosexual marriage according to the Christian or anyone who think it is wrong is the following:

It is the people themselves who think such marriages are wrong... No more, no less. Never mind about their spiritual ties and affiliations and dogmas...

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Such marriages are here to stay and are but a natural progression indeed to what was never to have been repressed in the first place. Moralism is of man, not God, and never has been.

What we see among Christians or among any religious body of this ilk is but evidence of a consensual reality ensuing -- that is to say, a group who has agreed to agree. And with the help and fitness that time and distance accords, in addition to the herd instinct peculiar to all human beings to fall in line, fallacy has made mistaken doctrine an affecting true doctrine. But affectation is many times remove of truth...

It matters not to Truth even if a billion agree to a lie.

But such is life in a cave, which bears little light...

If a billion are wrong, the mass of number shall not make it apt or correct or "right." If but one person holds the truth amid a billion who hold the lie, that one person constitutes the majority... See?

What these types of Christians are doing is but an attempt to re-invent a wheel long ago made and thereafter established by Nature itself. No manner of policy, religion, rhetoric, moralism or any number of other things got-up or made by human beings will import anything to the devices carried by truth itself...nor will it change the truth. Truth abides nothing but truth. It has a monopoly on all things under God...

The worst that one could say of homosexuality is, it is an imbalance. But imbalances are part of all nature itself, an edict set by nature to ensure antagonism persists to ensure that perpetual movement and growth persists.

No truth is static. Nothing of nature is static. Imbalance assures us that movement 'is'...

But to say it is a disease or a perversion is to stretch the truth. Truth needs no stretching, for truth is fixed unto itself; it is not equivocating of anything...

Moreover, only truth can supplant another truth, and 'that' is a commentary on ascension.

Let Truth draw out the list: I assure you It shall convey more than a mere eight reasons.

Answer 4

As a Christian, I want to give you my "two-bits" worth. God - when He inspired the writers of the Holy Bible to scribe information to His human creation, had our best interests in mind. God does not benefit directly, as we decide to put into practice His instructions for us all - we do ! "Religious freedom" is more appropriately translated in the Biblical sense, as not a slave to wrong doing - a non-addict ! Christians (not "religious" people), are to live their individual lives in service to both, God and mankind. They are not to be condemning of the life-styles of the people in this society - that is not their "job". I, personally think that your rebuttal would best be served by contacting the magazine's Editors or the authors of the article. In summing up, I can say the record of history reveals much about a hom -sexual based society. The Greek culture when they ruled the world, had hom -sexual life-styles and they were conquered; then, the Romans - they practiced this life-style and lost their grip as world rulers too ! You wouldn't find the "religious-free" Communists of China permitting hom -sexual life styles. This is my opinion as a Christian, on your posting. Thank you for reading.

Answer 5

I think for a rebuttal to number 7 is the fact that canada already permits gay marriages as does many other countries. For number 8, how much is taught about heterosexual marriage? If that were the case the teen pregnancies out of wedlock would not be happening either. Rebuttal for number 5 also includes the fact that heterosexuals will add more of a strain on the social security by having more children because those who are homosexual help in alleviating the children who are not wanted by heterosexuals. Furthermore, I think God would condemn someone for being something they are not than something they are. I do not believe God would punish someone for being who they truly are. Those who are homosexual do not corrupt the morals of minors, molest minors, or lead them astray anymore than any heterosexual parent does and sexual preference is not always a result of molestation. However, in most instances of molestation it was a heterosexual act not homosexual.

Answer 6

Hey, when you are right, you are right. I am not the type of Christian that is against you. I think that you made a lot of sense.

Between the Protestant Fundamentalists and the Orthodox and Roman Catholics, you have a hard road ahead in order to get the political gain that is required to pass such a thing through the government.

Answer 7

You sound like a logical person. Biology doesn't allow for marriage of same sex people. Mouths and anuses aren't made for those things. Children need a father and a mother to teach them about each gender. Use your same logic to prove that people can marry children or animals. It's just as twisted and perverted.

People are homosexual becuase they were molested as children or had mixed up sexual roles in the home. Homosexual love is not a giving one but one that sucks the life (literally) out of the other person. It's a shame to bring children up in an environment where they can't see love like it was intended to be, between a man and a woman.

Answer 8

Amen brother. I am a straight women who cannot fathom why any of these arguments against gay marriage would hold up. All of the arguments are ridiculous. I'm glad to see that there are others who will stand up for the right of any loving couple to be married. I don't think it is anyone's business who gets married, and personally, I can't think of any way that two gay men or two gay women getting married would affect my life in any way. I would think that in this day and age people would be promoting committment amongst monogomous couples, not frowning upon it.

Cheers!

Answer 9

Just for the record it is a bad analogy to use animals to describe the actions of man. Animals don't understand the concepts of death and self-determination unless you happened to believe in Jonathan Living Seagull.

I don't understand a man's need to be with another man. Then again I don't fully grasps why one person like this car over another and I don't need to. Choice is any self-determining man's natural right as long as it doesn't hurt another man. Hurting a man's feeling because he doesn’t agree with an action of another human being doesn’t fit the criteria.

As long as any man is not free to choose as he pleases we are all at risk of loosing personal freedom.

Answer 10

I don't know what studies *you've* read, but your #1 HAS had *several* studies showing adverse effects on children, namely, children NEED BOTH a Mother, *and* a Father in their lives, and not fake ones either!

As far as homos go---it has *never* been okay, to be gay, except in the 1890's.