Free-will metaphor, this will help you understand......?

Question

i cannot get people to understand my reasoning for the non-existance of free-will, so i thought of a clever little metaphor that i hope you enjoy.

i want you to compare the universe to a story. as your reading a story, doesnt it appear as though at ay point 'anything could happen'? but as you think, you'll know that only one outcome is going to happen, fate. just because you dont know it doesnt mean it's not true right? but the author (god) knew. he knew it the whole time. he knew what the future was and the characters/you did not. (do you agree so far?)

this is where people like to tell me that god knows the future, but does nt control it. to demonstrate that he DOES control it. i'll use another story.

say joe kills himself because his wife died in an earthquake. it would seem as though clearly joe choose to kill himself. but think deeper. this god fellow knew damn well that joe would kill himself if his wife were to ever die so tragically, right? cont. in additional details

his wife died in an earthquake against her will. that earthquake was destined to happen completly outside of human control. than who made that earthquake happen? you know who. god would have known when he descided to make that earthquake that joe's would die because of it, and he also knew that joe would kill himself because of it. he's the author of this story and controls it. can you see that according to these beliefs, we are puppets? what are your thoughts?

Answer 1

Quantum mechanics treats the past and future as the same. There are some beliefs that the future is just as defined as the past. Thus, in that sense there is no free will. So sure, I know what you're saying, and to a degree concurr with you. We only THINK we have free will.

Answer 2

God didn't kill Joe. Joe made his own choice, even if God knows what is going to happen. But we don't know the rest of the story. Maybe Joe's wife was going to leave him and take all his money and God was giving Joe a chance to collect life insurance and find a new better life. Is it God's fault that Joe didn't trust God in the first place? This could have been grace in the working and Joe rejected it.

Answer 3

Free will is a myth.

People always tell me that I will choose heaven or hell, or that I will either love God or hate him.

I don't love God, but I don't hate him. I don't choose heaven or hell.

I rather when I die, I can cease to be for eternity. God doesn't give me what I want, I guess.

This means God will be forced to choose heaven or hell for me, since I never chose. Saying not choosing heaven is choosing hell, is as foolish as presenting a kid with both a pink & green crayon then saying that not choosing the pink means he chose green.

If the kid never chose, he never chose, end of story.

If I am forced to choose either heaven or hell, he is still breaking my "free will" by imposing his over my own. Either way, human free will is destroyed.

Answer 4

Free will does not mean that we have a will over everything. We have a free will what comes to accepting God as the Creator and Savior. God loves you, and He wants to know if you love Him back.

Answer 5

i think this is where understanding the concept of an "overcomer" comes into play ... we have free will ... but the framework of events is laid out and we have the ability to rise above it ... u may die at a certain time but u can choose to love or hate inbetween and nobody is twisting ur arm either way ...

Answer 6

Omniscience of a deity precludes freewill.

Answer 7

He still exercised his free will in order to kill himself. Your example proves the contrary.

Answer 8

Here's mine. We are made of atoms, right? And these atoms have paths they always follow, correct? So, we are nothing more then the actions of our atoms!

See, still stupid.

Answer 9

Just try and be a good person

Answer 10

I think you spend way too much time thinking and not enough time excercising faith. That kind of stuff will rot yer brain.