Ok, A challenge for Mahal.?

Question

If I remember correctly, the Bible tells us a whole lot about some 'God' fellow. Mahal says his scholars can give evidence to "prove on demand" the various things the Bible says.

So here are some questions about this God guy:

1) Is there a God? Gimme some evidence. Of course, people saying the saw something they could not explain means exactly nothing.

2) How about the nature of the creation of earth? That it was done by God, whether you say it is 4.8 billion years or just six thousand.

Enjoy. Or you can say that it was the OT that said that God created the world and do a dodge. But expect there to be some back and forth - that is why I sent the email, so it could be argue-and-respond.

:)

3, 2, 1, Go!

Note: With respect to carbon and radiodating, scientists do know what they are doing. We know it is non-linear, in fact that is exactly the property that is used to do the dating, the exactly measured decay over time. A sum of techniques means the only assumption used is that the earth did not boil and explode about 4000 years ago. :)

As in, with radiodating there is a A exp -kt function that is precisely followed. If the rates had changed, the amount of energy released would have boiled the earth. Cross referencing techniques also means that no other 'assumptions' are used. (As in, the only assumption is that the earth is not currently 600 degrees) :)

Note again for the pesky believers: I'm not saying you are liars. Thankyou. Thankyou.

I'm saying "I feel I have a relationship with the Almighty" no more proves She exists than having a feeling about the existence of anything else.

Mind you, if you like your faith, I encourage you to keep it. I'm not trying to steal it, I am simply countering one who said he could prove it all. :)

HA! Nice "Proof on demand that God made the world" there Mahal!

:)

(Note: Other God response rebutted above)

To the guy who says "perhaps my friend was talking about whether C-14 had reached equilibrium or not"

It was no friend, I can do the calculations and experiments for myself, thanks! (except the meson decay ones)

There is no equilibrium in C-14 / N-14 transformation. To me it sounds like you don't know what you are talking about, but I could be wrong. By the way, cross referencing techniques means using a variety of isotopes and methods, not just the C-14 beta+ decay.

Why are people contructing charts to account for the local weather? Do you not know how C-14 gets into the bioshpere? It comes from N-14 interacting with high energy solar (and extra-solar) radiation, thus bieng (in the very short term) sensitive to atmospheric fluctuations; but really, this is only due to the rapid initial change near the start of the first half-life of its creation. :)

Furthermore, even ifit were half as accurate as what it was, 8000 years would still be completely out of the question. We can reach back about 40,000 if we get a good C source, remember?

Answer 1

As for saying there is a god or no god, I have no proof.

But i can prove the earth was created 4.8 Billion years ago. The earth has a network sub ducting plates( plate boundaries, mid Atlantic ocean ridges). These plates cause continents to move because they are always pushing and creating more material. Incase you’re wondering, continents never sub duct because the materials on them are simply to buoyant. If you take a look at hot spots on plates ( IE hawaii) you can trace which way the plates are moving from the island chains it leaves behind.

Another way we know is the vast amount of sediments, and sediment similarities between containments. For example At one point in time Europe was part of north America, and scientists can proove this by sediment similarities traced from the Appalachian mountains (starting in texas), all the way to Canada, to ice land and down to the British isles and France. There are also many other sediment similarities all over the earth that stretch across continents.

In North America we can also prove that the Rocky mountains are much younger than the Appalachian mountains. The Rocky Mountains were formed during the Mesozoic Era by a vast chain of oroganies. We know this because deposition is different than the east coast Appalachian. The Appalachian mountains were formed by the Alleghenies orogeny was formed during the time of Pangaea, which isn’t the beginning but close.

I am getting tired of writing but i can also prove by the time it took for sediments to be deposited form the Canadian Shield to form America. If you want to know more take some historical geology classes.

One more proof before i stop. The moon has the same mafic composition as the earths crust. And by same, i mean it is almost exact in iron percent and ionic deposits. But if you look at another large solar body mass like Mars, Completely different.

Seriously I could spend hours talking about how the earth was made.

And the difference between geology and the bible, is that geology has spent decades and millions of dollars on studying the earth and how it works. While the bible and religions just assume.

Answer 2

The God of the Old Testament is the God of the New Testament. Either you accept or reject Christ as God. If you accept Him as God then you accept the Creation as described in Genesis, and the timeline to the present of 6,000 years. There is a ton of historical evidence of the existance of Jesus Christ. You have to decide whether or not He is who He says He is.

On the subject of carbon dating, perhaps your friend was referring to assuming the C-14 level has reached equilibrium(old earth) or not (young earth). That is a big assumption. I agree with you that the decay rate is a known given.

Answer 3

You should be getting your information from the bible. Remember that a great deal of God's work and creating was done through His supernatural power. You cannot explain the power of the Holy Spirit through physics & science since variations of Gods work was manifested this way. Even though physics & science are a large part of it, the creation has 2 parts. Physical & supernatural <>< <><

Answer 4

1) Evidence? If I were God I would make sure that there was never any solid evidence. All God is ever stated as wanting is some frikin love. What good is our praise if it is only because we are completely afraid of his wrath due to the undeniable proof he exists? So God wants faith, which can't exist with evidence.

2)I don't understand exactly what you mean...are you referring to the time? in that case...it took as long as it took. everything is given in the vague "days" so it took as long as it took.

Answer 5

You guys are picking easy stuff.

There are too many people around the world that claim to have personal relationships with God to ignore.

(Including me...)

I know it's easy for you to call them all liars, and it's also easy for you to set a threshold of evidence higher than you do for evolutionary science, but that doesn't make it right.

Eye-witness testimony is sufficient.

(If carbon decay is so "exact", why lab technicians constructing charts to adjust for local weather?)

Answer 6

"if an atheist stressful situations a concept it somewhat is significant to you, is it okay to undertaking theirs?" -actual. "each physique has ideals that are significant to them. between the commonest, elementary ideals a individual has is the concept that they have got relatively worth. are you able to undertaking the concept that the atheist has relatively worth or is likeable and worth of know, inspite of it being an significant concept to an atheist?" -particular, yet that looks like a wierd argument to attempt to make. looks like in spite of it may be ought to be rotated somewhat.

Answer 7

wow, Mahal is very "mahal" tonight...(thats 'expensive' in malay)...however Mahal, i support you!! even though i dont know what you believe..you touched many people's hearts tonight~