Evolutionists and Biologists.?

Question

Abiogenesis and Evolution?

First law of Thermodynamics: If matter can never be created or destroyed then how did we get here?

And for the evolutionists:

What about?

Cosmic Evolution: Time, Space and Matter have to come into existance. You can't be any place and be out of time. You can have anyone of these without the other two.

Chemical Evolution:Where did we get other elements? Fusion can't be the answer because you can't get past iron with fusion

Stellar Evolution: Stars? We have never seen them form? So how did they? No one has ever proven the formation of one star?

Orgainc Evolution: Life getting started, this would have to result from the non-living

Macro Evolution: No one has ever seen a dog make a nondog. Sure you get variations but it is still a dog.

Micro Evolution: This is the only one that is scientific and it only shows variations within the kinds.

First five are purely religous:

And some more about the Big Bang:

So from a state of nothingness everything exploded into nothing?

So we all came from a dot and the dot came from nothing? That's science?

Who made matter? Just call evolution a religion like Christianity? So why do I have to pay for your religion to be taught in the schools?

The Conservation of Angular Momentum:

Should spin in same direction:

How come two planets spin backwards 8 of 91 moons are backwards? Problem for the Big Bang? I think so....

Second Law of Thermodynamics:

Order to Chaos.

Energy can't help because there would have been nothing to channel it. The japanese came Pearl Harbor some energy but did it help them? No.

Ask questions and I'll keep going.

Seriously, you need to quit whining about the evolutionist thing and give me some answers. I know little kids that don't whine as much as you guys.

WE HAVE NEVER SEEN A STAR FORM. ALL THEY SEE IS A PLACE GETTING BRIGHTER. THAT COULD BE DUST CLEARING AWAY AND SHOWING A STAR OR A SUPERNOVA. NO ONE HAS EVER GIVEN PROOF FOR A STAR BEING FORMED. WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR SCIENCE

Chrome, quit babaling on and start answering.

and for the whale? Why do you suppose they wrote this?
ow do you convince a creationist that a fossil is a transitional fossil? Give up? It is a trick question. You cannot do it.

I'll admit that i cannot explain God, but I'll admit that mine is a religion and quite frankly you should too

Answer 1

I am not an evolutionist, but feel compelled to address one point, to whom I am not clear it is addressed. You ask:
"First law of Thermodynamics: If matter can never be created or destroyed then how did we get here?"

You are correct: Matter cannot be created nor destroyed. However, energy can be converted into matter. In light of that I find this ancient Scripture intriguing:

"Raise your eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one of them is missing." - Isaiah 40:26.

Answer 2

Here's an explanation of how heavier elements form:

When the universe formed, there were no atoms, just a very hot and dense soup of exotic particles. After a little while, perhaps 3 minutes or so, the universe cooled enough that "normal" particles such as protons, electrons, and neutrons could form. And then some of them fused with each other, producing some of the elements we know today: hydrogen, deuterium, helium, and lithium.

Every other element, however, was not formed in the early universe. They were formed in the centres of stars, or during stellar explosions. To quote the famous astronomer Carl Sagan, "We are all star stuff". Starlight is a result of nuclear fusion going on in the hot, dense interiors of stars -- hydrogen fuses to form helium, helium fuses to form carbon and oxygen, and gradually heavier and heavier elements are formed. Elements even heavier than iron form during even more energetic events, such as novae and supernovae.

You keep saying no one has ever seen this or that....do you really believe you have to see it with your own eyes to believe it? Then why do you believe in god; have you ever seen it? And we are seeing stars form all the time...in large gas and dust clouds...the Pleiades (or the seven sisters) are new stars just forming... The Second Law of Thermodynamics is only true in a CLOSED system...Earth is not a closed system. Why didn't you ask these questions in the Biology section? What does this have to do with religion?

Answer 3

Abiogenesis and evolution - What if matter always was in existence and the bigbang helped spread it.
Cosmic evolution - Isnt mathematics(numbers) beyond time, space, and matter?
Chemical evolution - Fusion, Iron is the end product.
Stellar evolution - You see the destruction of stars, I heard stars are formed from bangs.
Organic evolution - Life from a non-living, Im skeptical.
Macro evolution - Yet, creationists believe a humanoid creator made non-humans.
Micro evolution - okay....

Answer 4

markster, you're an idiot. dawkins calls himself an evolutionist, and so does michael miller even if he believes in God at the same time (how does that happen?). And asking an evolutionary question in a religious section is relevant since the two are contrasts of one another in the sense that they are contradicting beliefs wheras, norweigian and chinese are two completely different dialects having no coherent counterarguing or supporting reference to one another so that argument of yours is just silly!

on that note, the God hypothesis makes sense on so many levels but I am not about to write a novel on a yahoo answers forum especially when I know the non-believers will attack it or not read it anyway. So to the previous 'alien' who said he won't even bother trying to explain anymore because the poster of this question won't read it anyway, guess what buddy, you won't listen to his arguments either, some of which are truly legitimate.

I too find existence fascinating and that life can explain a supernatural transcendent supernatural creator/source, but the very fact that we live in a natural world where all ordered things are controlled in relation to the precise measurements of other parameters which gives life the capabilities of living on, there will always be people who blind themselves to only what the eye can see (which is less than a fraction of a percent of the electromagnetic spectrum, so one can't negate the fact of God's existence given the limited information our eyes absorb) and therefore, this religious debate will never end. If someone wants to believe life has no self-importance, but rather, we are merely here through the natural causes of happenstance, then that is fine because we are all on the same boat in the end, and that is the boat of unanswered philosophy!

Take care!

Answer 5

Your questions reveal a complete misaprehension and lack of knowledge of the concepts of each. Please read up on these and ask informed questions. By the way. stars have been seen in their infancy and you can see the death and birth of stars. Try looking at the Hubble websites and viewing the images of stars in formation as well as colliding stars, colliding galaxies. The images are awe inspiring and may answer some of your questions.

Macroevolution? See here where whales evolved.
http://www.talkorigins.org/features/whales/

The compelling story of the evolution of whales should be proof enough for even the thickest headed creationist.

Answer 6

An "Evolutionist" doesn't exist. No scientist would ever call himself "Evolutionists".

For the other part of your question, Biology and REAL information about Evolution can be found in the science section. Asking about Evolution and Biology in a religious section is kinda silly. That's like asking a Norwegian how it feels to be Chinese.

Answer 7

this should be in science and biology...

But anyway...

The big bang, Cosmic Evolution, Chemical Evolution, Organic Evolution, and then Micro and Macro evolution are different things.

Nobody has ever seen a new species evolve because it is rare, and may take centuries to happen.

Answer 8

I refer you to any first year physics text to correct your creationist drivel misunderstanding and misquotation of the laws of thermodynamics where you have left out "in a closed system." From this we both know you've never read a physics text for yourself but got this zinger from some idiot apologist's handbook.

You should know that the apologists are writing for you, the believer, not for atheists. They are giving you answers that will satisfy your shallow curiosity and make you go away satisfied your faith isn't irrational and inane. It may even help you evangelize someone who shares your lack of intellectual curiosity. It will not help you with anyone who actually looks it up, something you apparently don't bother to do.

I could address your other false claims, like star formation, but I'll content myself with asking why you think your God cannot succeed unless you lie for him?

Answer 9

That all seems good.

I don't think anyone even understood the part about 'conservation of angular momentum' and the spinning direction of some of the planets. But it does trump 'big bang'. Big bang is a theory, but Conservation of Angular Momentum is a Law!

Answer 10

It's amazing how much evidence you ask for but yet produce NONE for "god doing it"

I find that SO hypocritical

P.S. Stars can be watched as they form with any decent telescope from your backyard.

Where do you get your science information, at church?