Jesus bones? But why would the disciples die on a lie?

Question

The disciples werebeing killed because they said they saw Christ after he was crucified. Why would anyone die on a lie? They cant have found Jesus' bones?/????

Answer 1

It's fake.

How do they know they are Jesus's bones?

We don't know what he looked like!

Answer 2

Agree and disagree.

Agreed: They haven't found Jesus' bones. They've found the burial place of some people who had names that were in common usage at the time. That's all.

Disagree: Actually, the disciples died because they defied the authorities -- that's always a mistake, as anybody who's been arrested for looking the wrong way at a cop could tell you.

You're assuming that all the stories you've been told about a young rabbi and his friends are true. These sensational stories should have appeared in the headlines of the time, but they didn't; there are no contemporary accounts of any of them.

Ever hear some of the legends about Davy Crockett? He was a real person who did some remarkable things; but tales tend to grow in the telling -- like that one about killing a bear when he was three years old -- until the human subject gets lost under all the fantasies. People like to believe weird things, you know. That's what's happened with the Jesus stories.

Answer 3

Those aren't Jesus' bones, and at the same time, it's silly to suggest that just because the disciples died for their beliefs, those beliefs must be true. That's a terribly desperate argument, and manages to ignore the fact that people throughout history have died willingly for a wide variety of obviously false beliefs from Naziism to Heaven's Gate.

Obviously Jesus didn't "rise from the dead". You can choose to believe that he did, basing your belief on faith. But if you insist on trying to manufacture evidence or logical argument for that claim, you're just going to sound desperate. There just isn't any.

LOL at Preacher's comments about the National Geographic Society. Geez, where do you get this stuff?

I particularly love this:
"The magazine has also officially declared Darwin as being 100% correct".

Oh, really? You just made that up. They did no such thing. Why do you fundies have such an easy time lying for your beliefs, and such a hard time recognizing that the rest of us can see right through those lies? What in the world good do you think it does you to lie over and over again like this? Particularly in response to a question like this? You're only demonstrating that believers have no problem with lies - if you're so eager to post them in support of your beliefs, why would we find it hard to believe that you'd die for lies as well?

Answer 4

Not only do many apparently believe that the disciples died in order to perpetuate a hoax, but there had to be a conspiracy that crossed more than a thousand years. All the OT authors must have been in on it, too.

Above Waif says the DNA will solve the question of the bogus bones. Somebody alert the media. Waif has a vial of the DNA of Jesus to compare it to.

Am I seeing the same names all over Y/A promoting the "science" of Jesus' DNA who also say that believers don't know how to think and only they (presumably atheists, agnostics) base their beliefs on fact? We need a reality check here, folks.

Answer 5

The devil is a busy critter. He can tell more lies than it is possible for the entire human race to catalog. Satan has his supporter, which are all those who hate Jesus. His biggest support is the Nation Geographic Society, which in its latest issue has an article about the Discovery Channel's "The Lost Tomb of Jesus". The magazine has also officially declared Darwin as being 100% correct, even though Darwin denied on his death bed that he had produced any conclusive evidence in support of evolution, and was totally dismayed at what the science community had done with his work.

Answer 6

Your premise (why would disciples die for a hoax) was one of the strongest "arguments" involved my coming to faith some years back.

It is generally acknowledged that all the disciples except John died a martyr's death ... and he died in exile on Patmos, a stone-cutting "hell on earth" kind of place.

It is generally accepted that the early letters of Paul were written in the 50's, which is quite close after the cruxifiction of Jesus. Christians were being agressively persecuted by Nero in the 60's. There is not a hint in the New Testament to violent resistance, and in fact there are extraordinary calls to pray for government leaders and overcome evil by good behavior.

If they were trying to rally troops to support a rebellion against Rome, you could understand a possible hoax. But they were teaching a faith calling for peace, including cooperation with government.

So were they all involved in a conspiracy involving a massive hoax to influence the world to radically better behavior?

Answer 7

If you're going to concoct a lie, you're going to hide any trace of anything that would dispute you. You certainly wouldn't label it! That only people who did that were Egyptian Royals.

It will be interesting to see a computer generated image of the person based on the bones.

Answer 8

They did not die for a lie. The manner by which many of them died, had it been a lie, they certainly would've opened up and said it was a lie. But, they endured horrible deaths, never denying what they knew to be the truth.
And no, Jesus' bones aren't anywhere down here to be found.
He took them with Him!

Answer 9

Well, I'm going to give you my point of view from the perspective of my religion.
I am a muslim and we believe that jesus is one of our prophets,sent down by god to reveal the true message. He was able to do many miricles as a way to show the people there was a god. He was born to the virgin mary(or mariam as we know her).
But what we don't believe is that jesus was crucified. According to islam, Jesus was raised to the heavens and he was never killed. God replaced him with a man that looked like him, and that was who was crucified. As for jesus he will reappear on the day of judgement.
So as for the bones, they are present. But they are the bones of the man that took jesus's place the day of the crucification.
Jesus is not the son of god and he is a human like me and you. We do not associate god with humanly features, as that would be against our beliefs. The bible has been rewritten a documentated of forty times. The orginal bible had the same message as the quran.
If god sent jesus to rescue us from sin than why didn't god just send us all to heaven from the begining. Islam is very much like christianty execpt we don't believe jusus of crucified or the son of god.

Answer 10

You make sense. It's either it's all a scam seeking to make money and be famous, or they found Jesus's bones, only that Jesus is not the same one we know (Jesus Christ). The name was very popular at the time.

Answer 11

When Jesus died, his body was taken away without the knowledge of the guards. No body knows were the body was placed. Jesus rose on the 3rd day and showed himself to his disciples.