How does bickering over how the world got started address our suffering now?

Question

In Buddhism, such talks are reserved for other religions and scientist. Buddhism only cares about the present and its suffering. Creationist and evolutionist are funny, rather than addressing the needs of today, they are lost in the past with their own theories. Theories about the past will not make suffering go away now. So let me ask, how will bickering about the past change anything now?

Answer 1

Our suffering is directly related to the debate of creation vs. evolution

Creationists believe that god will come down and solve all of their problems and forgive all of their sins. So all they have to do is Waite long enough and god will be here, so why should they try to stop war or sin that they will be forgiven for anyway.

Name one major conflict in world history that didn’t have a religious issue behind it…

The world would be a much more peaceful place to live if you took out religion

to respond to "in vino veritas" below...

1. Religion and the American Civil War is an underdeveloped field of study which has received relatively little attention until recent years. Previously considered a peripheral issue by most Civil War historians, religion emerged as a significant factor of the Civil War experience with the publication of Religion and the American Civil War (1998), a collection of essays edited by Randall M. Miller, Harry S. Stout and George Reagan Wilson. Well-known historians such as Eugene D. Genovese, Daniel W. Stowell, Drew Gilpin Faust, Bertram Wyatt-Brown and Samuel S. Hill contributed to the ground-breaking volume.

Any discussion of the American Civil War must take into account the issue of slavery, the underlying cause of the War. The sectional debates over slavery were frequently couched in religious language.

2. Marx and Engels, the bourgeois sons of bourgeois religious families, never did a day's manual labor in their lives. Engel's only connection to industrial capitalism was as the son of a factory's owner. Marx's only connection was his lifelong subsidies from Engles.
Why, the, has Marxism been so successful in capturing the minds of men? Because it is a religion, the most powerful rival of Christianity since the rise of Islam in the seventh century

3. August 15, 1775 - Washington reported that fifteen chaplains were in service for twenty-three regiments and that twenty-nine regiments were without any. In September, there were twenty regiments supplied and twenty vacancies. The situation worsened over the Fall and by January 9, 1776, there were only nine chaplains and eighteen vacancies. Washington thought that the pay was not enough and suggested a chaplain for each two regiments as a means of doubling the salary.

January 16, 1776 - Congress passed the "Chaplaincy Act" authorizing one chaplain for every two regiments for the "army at Cambridge." The pay was set at thirty three and one third dollars

September 11, 1777 - Congress ordered 20,000 Bibles imported for use by the Army

4.The June 28, 1914 assassination of Austrian Crown Prince Franz Ferdinand in the Bosnian capital Sarajevo, served as a pretext for the Austrian declaration of war on Serbia, marking the beginning of World War I, despite Serbia's acceptance (on July 25) of nearly all of Austria-Hungary's demands. The Serbian Army defended the country and won several victories, but it was finally overpowered by the forces of Germany, Austria-Hungary and Bulgaria, and had to withdraw from the national territory marching across the Albanian mountain ranges to the Adriatic Sea. On 16 August Serbia was promised by the Entente the territories of Srem, Bačka, Baranja, eastern Slavonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and eastern Dalmatia as a reward after the war. Having recuperated on Corfu the Serbian Army returned to combat on the Thessaloniki front together with other Entente forces comprising France, the United Kingdom, Russia, Italy and the United States. In World War I, Serbia had 1,264,000 casualties — 28% of its 4½m population, which also represented 58% of its male population — a loss from which it never fully recovered.

The conflict in Serbia and Kosovo is deeply rooted in ethnic differences, compounded by religious incompatibilities. Although full-scale chaos is a modern atrocity, religious persecution and oppression has existed for centuries.

The devastation of World War I loomed in the background for Americans when war began in Europe in September 1939 and when the United States moved to assist Britain prior to entering the war in December 1941. Many members of the clergy realized in the wake of World War I that they had been duped by propaganda, and they recognized that the lofty principles over which the war was fought were never achieved.

5. as far as world war 2 i have one word Genocide.
Catholic extermination camps
Surprisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Pavelia practicing Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children! In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar - orthodox-Christian Serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis had victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdienst der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did
nothing to prevent them.

Answer 2

In order to have any understanding at all about our present situation, one would need to investigate The Four Noble Truths. They are necessarily Noble because they are confirmed to be true by all arya beings. The Four Noble Truths are in actuality two pairs of causes and effects. The First Noble Truth deals with the Truth of Suffering, or true sufferings, since there are a lot of things that cause us suffering. No matter how the sufferings are enumerated, whether three, four, six sufferings they are real and are easily observed - the suffering of suffering, the suffering of change, and the compounded, pervasive suffering covers it for the purpose of this discussion. (One could also list the suffering of birth, aging, dying, being separated from the pleasant, being separated from what one wants and so forth...) Anyway, all of these sufferings have an origin, which is the Second Noble Truth - the Truth of Origin, or true origins. There are karmic and afflictive origins - but when you get right down to it - the true-est origin is self-grasping. That is thinking that all one experiences through the various consciousnesses is inherently existent from its own side, separate from its designation as imputed through the collection of its parts (aggregates). This leads us to the Third Noble Truth, the Truth of Cessation, or true cessations, which is the result of the Fourth Noble Truth, the Truth of Path, or true paths. So, since beginningless time we have been going through this cycle of birth and rebirth, over and over, continuously grasping at the "I" and apprehending all that we see, hear, touch, and feel, etc. as real. If you wish, you could look at this not as an explanation of birth and rebirth over countless eons, but merely from the standpoint of momentary consciousness - one thought to the next, or one day to the next, or one breath to the next. Why wouldn't we argue and bicker and try and prove our childish views as real? The one good thing about all of this is that we can definitely "get out" - Careful, though, I am not positing a nihilist view, nor an eternalist view. A key component of the Madhyamika, or Middle Way philosophy, is just that. The Middle Way. You can't say that conventional reality is ultimate reality and you can't say that ultimate reality is conventional. They are mutually supporting. It's funny, isn't it? For further explanation, I would recommend the Lam Rim Chen Mo by Lama Je Tsong Khapa.
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Answer 3

It really doesn't. If both camps put more energy into solving problems there would be alot less animosity between the two. Then perhaps both would be content to let the other live as they want and just accept that each faction has different views but both can help each other. To address a comment. The communist revolution in Russia during the first half of the twentieth century had nothing to do with religion, nor did the American civil war, or the revolutionary war, nor WWI or WW2.

Answer 4

Bickering won't change anything. Finally proving where it all began will.

Bickering is a part of the learning process. Some people actually walk away with something after an argument with their "enemy".

These are the people that make a difference in the world. The ones who are capable of learning from thier enemies.

Answer 5

It only increases our suffering. Watch how people respond with increasing frustration! There is no gain from such discussion in a spirituality forum. Only an opportunity to create more suffering in ourselves and our co-travelers.

(BTW: your question has diminished some suffering by focusing our minds on the present. Thank you.)

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Answer 6

If we believe in evolution then there is no answer as to the suffering on earth nor is there any hope for mankind in the future, we will destroy this planet and life on it.

If we believe in creation then there is a Biblical answer as to why there is suffering (by the way it is NOT Gods fault he cases no suffering) and there is a hope for the earth and mankind.

Ask me for more details

Answer 7

If you believe in destiny, you don't fight as hard to stop
the problems.

For instance, arguably, Christians are WAITING for the second
coming. That is, it can't get here fast enough.

The rest of us are less sanguine.

Answer 8

suffering comes from sin. the knowledge of sin comes from the commandments of God who created life