How can Jesus be the "Only Begotten Son" of John 3:16? When in Psalms 2:7 David is God's "Begotten Son?"
Would a 'Just' God, a 'Fair' God, a 'Loving' God -- punish Jesus for the sins of the people that he called to follow him?
What happens to people who died before Jesus came?
What happens to those who never hear this message?
Where did the word trinity come from..There is no word "Trinity" in the Bible in any version of any language??
2007-03-05
14:20:16
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Yeah i know he was the only man (not God) created with no sperm
2007-03-05
14:27:16 ·
update #1
If jesus went willingly to the cross
then why would Jesus of the English Bible complain about the 'crucifixion'
("Eli! Eli! Lama sabachthani? - My God! My God! Why have You forsaken me?") [Mk 15:34]
Now think about the New Testament story of 'salvation.'
Jesus asked God NOT to put him through this ordeal.
"Father, if thou art willing, remove this cup from me; nevertheless not my will, but Yours, be done." [Luke 22:42]
Notice in the next verse, an angel from heaven also appears to Jesus to "strengthen him."
Abraham's angel comes to offer a ram as a sacrifice instead of the son.
The next verse [22:44] Jesus is in AGONY as he prays "more earnestly; and his sweat became like great drops of blood falling down upon the ground."
2007-03-05
14:36:02 ·
update #2
im not visiting "hateful muslim sites" as you call it.
I go to catholic school and i read these verses in my religion class
2007-03-05
14:37:37 ·
update #3
How can Jesus be the "Only Begotten Son" of John 3:16? When in Psalms 2:7 David is God's "Begotten Son?"
- As I understand it, the verse in Psalms was David's words, not the Lords. Psalms are the poems/songs David wrote about the Lord. We are all the sons and daughters of God, the difference with the Savior is the God is his spiritual and physical father.
Would a 'Just' God, a 'Fair' God, a 'Loving' God -- punish Jesus for the sins of the people that he called to follow him?
- The Savior volounteered. He is the great mediator because God must satisfy Justice and we required Mercy. Jesus is the bridge the makes both possible.
What happens to people who died before Jesus came?
- They are still covered by the Atonement. The atonment is for everyone person ever born, not just those born after the Savior.
What happens to those who never hear this message?
- They will be given a chance to hear it in the spirit world before judgement. They will be judged based on the knowledge they had in their life, not what they didn't know.
Where did the word trinity come from..There is no word "Trinity" in the Bible in any version of any language??
- Not all Christians believe in the Trinity. I believe God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost to be seperate beings that are united in purpose.
2007-03-05 14:30:09
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answered by Raising6Ducklings! 6
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In Psalms 2 verse 7, David is declaring the vision or prophesy that the lord has given him.
David is repeating what he has been told, not declaring that he is the begotten son. David is speaking of the coming Messiah and all that God is giving the Messiah.
God did not give David the heathen for his inheritnace and the uttermost parts of the earth for his possession. David is repeating what he has been told about the coming Messiah, Jesus Christ, although in this passage, David does not know what earthly name the Messiah will have, only that God has declared him begotten and what God has given him.
Would a just God punish Jesus. In a way yes, Jesus us actually a part of God. We need to go to the first few verses of Genesis to see this and then to the first verse of Matthew to have it confirmed.
Here is the gist of it. In the beginning was the word, and the word became flesh. Jesus is the word, and he became flesh to pay for our sins. He did this willingly and without sin of his own in order for us to stand righteous before him, being he and God are one.
What happens to people who died before Jesus was made flesh? They either died believing that the Messiah would still be coming or they died not believing that there would ever be such a redeemer. There were only those two choices and the two results for each belief.
What happens to those now a days who neever hear this message? Read the book of Romans for a very detailed explanation of this one, but in a nutshell, God gives all a modicum of faith when we are created and the heavens and earth cry out to us that there is a creator, our God. These people have a choice to either follow that bit of faith that they were created with or to follow their own earthly thoughts and desires that are also in their fleshly bodies. One of these two will win within these people and result in one of the two eternal destinations that are available to us all.
The word trinity is newer and not found in the bible as many other words we use in modern times are not found in the bible. We use the word trinity, rather than say, father, son and Holy Ghost. It is simply a way to shorten how many words we say and write. The word rapture is a short way of stating that we will be caught up in the clouds at the return of Jesus Christ , our redeemer.
If you prefer to state father , son and holy ghost, you may, no one will be offended that I know of, but if you shorten it to the trinity, all will know of whom you speak.
Hope all this helps in some way.
May God bless you and keep you as you strive for knowledge and understanding of his word.
2007-03-05 22:39:46
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answered by cindy 6
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Sometimes in translation they use a word for lack of a better choice, God is speaking to David and adopting him into the kingdom, like a branch of a tree being grafted into a different tree. If you knew your Bible you would know that Jesus loved mankind so much that he would do anything to save us. Much like a parent that would give up their own life for the life of their child. This was a decision that was made out of Love, Jesus did not have to stay on the cross, he was God and Man, he could have stepped off the cross at any time, but it was his love that held him there. In the book of Genesis, if you knew your bible you would know that God refers to Himself as Us and Our in Cha 1 vrs 26. Their is a Body, Mind and Spirit. Some say Body , Soul, and Spirit. Just like us, we have a body, soul or mind and spirit, these are three separate things , but we are one of the same. When our fleshly body dies our Spirit and Soul lives on. I explain it as kind of like a space suit that we need to live on this earth. Just like the Astronauts use a special suit so that they can survive the elements of the new world that they are entering. The word Trinity comes from the fact that God says Let US create man in OUR image. Back to Father (mind or soul), Son (Body became flesh), Holy Spirit (Spirit of God). I think that the ones that never hear the message will be given a chance to live during the thousand year reign. I believe it will be at that time that they will be given the chance to accept or reject Christ. The Bible says that some of the people living at that time will after the thousand year reign reject Christ. Then all hell breaks loose , so to say and then they get cast into the Lake of Fire. So I think that has covered all of your questions. I am glad that you do not take for fact what people tell you, because it sounds like someone is giving you half truth on the Bible. It is good that you seek out the truth.
2007-03-05 22:55:07
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answered by gigi 5
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Heb 1 tells us god David was talking about Jesus in Ps. 2:7.
Acts 2 tells us David was a prophet talking about Jesus.
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Jesus Gave his life for the sins of the whole world.
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If they by faith believed the messiah would come they were saved by faith in the coming Christ. The blood of animals was a type of the blood of Jesus,
Q4- Romans 10 tells us that if they don’t here they can’t be saved.
Q5- Trinity means three - 1 John 5:7 “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father , the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
2007-03-05 22:40:19
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answered by Laniermar 2
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well, if you study more you would find that when jesus died he redeemed those that died before his coming, Those eho have never heard his message can't be judged if they have never heard of him. Nowadays that almost impossible, but back then yeah. God isn't gonna judge you and you don't know what he's talking about. Trinity is a term invented to describe the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Just like the word "rapture" isnt in the bible, it is a term to describe an overall movement or group.
also you must understand that the old testament is full of prophecies pertaining to Jesus. That's just one of them. You just gotta read more sweetheart then it'll all come together.
2007-03-05 22:30:03
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answered by Anonymous
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If you read Psalm 2 in it's entirety, you will see that God is referring to Christ Jesus as His Son. Not David.
God did not "punish" Jesus for the sins of His followers, rather, Jesus willingly laid down His life for us all.
The people that died before Jesus, these were the people of the Old Testament, their salvation was based on their consciences and on the "Works" they did.
Those who never hear the message of the gospel will be judged based on their consciences just as the people of the Old Testament were.
The word Trinity is not in the bible, it is a word used to describe Gods very being. Just as the word Rapture is a word used to describe Christs coming to redeem His church.
In the first 3 chapters of the book of Genesis, God refers to Himself as "We" and "Us" There is also mention of the Holy Spirit during the creation. That is Gods very essence...
Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Picture God this way:
We have the Sun, it is an object, the sun gives us heat and the sun gives us light, one object, three separate manifestations.
Such it is with God. Please re-read Psalm 2 in it's entirety and see if you come to a different conclusion to whom it is referring.
God Bless You....Peace.
2007-03-05 22:40:22
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answered by Anonymous
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Did you stay up all night thinking this up?
To answer your questions:
- Psalm 2:7 illustrates the fact that we are adopted into God's family. You have a mis-quote...The word "begotten" in this context (as found in KJV) means to be 'brought about' (i.e. "received unto oneself)
"I will proclaim the decree of the LORD :
He said to me, "You are my Son;
today I have become your Father." (NIV)
Yes. a "just"/"Fair"/"Loving" God would send the ultimate offering of love (His Son) for the sins of those He called (simply because He thought that much over us....Difficult to take in, isn't it? God loves you "that" much!!)
They died. But that doesn't mean they're condemned. Jesus died for all mankind.(Remember, John 1:1 --- which in actual fact confirms that even though Jesus came to earth at a specific time, He "always" existed...therefor what you're saying is impossible.)
Those who never hear THE message are still in ignorance, and God "alone" will be the one to judge. Sin is only sin, once we recognize it as so...
True. "Trinity" is NOT found in the Bible - However, Father,Son & Holy Ghost being the one SAME God is.
*Read: Colossians 2:9 (verification of Christ' deity)
*Establishing that Jesus is God's Son (John 3:16), if we link Matthew 1:20 which tells us how Mary got pregnant by the "Holy Spirit" - than it's only simple logic to put together that the Holy Spirit is in fact manifestation of God.
*and well, God the Father is made mention of several times...
"Trinity" is an expression used by Christians to describe the tri-manifestation of God.
2007-03-05 22:40:03
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answered by the_rose 2
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Psa 2:6Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
Psa 2:7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
you have to read ALL of it. Who's the king? JESUS genius. TOO MUCH MUSLIM PROPAGANDA! READ FOR YOURSELF AND THINK FOR YOURSELF!
Jesus went willingly to the cross. He took the punishment voluntarily.
People who died living according to the mosaic law went to paradise. When Christ died on the cross He went to Abrahams Bosom (alias: paradise) and brought the whole kit and kaboodle to heaven.
What happened to those who never hear. They are put into the hands of a perfectly loving and perfectly just God. Worry about yourself who HAS heard and rejected more and less about those who haven't heard. You have no excuse before the face of God....they do.
trinity comes from 3 in one that the Bible teaches. 1John 5:7-9 teaches it...John 1:1-15 teaches it. The word "bible" isn't in the bible either. so relax and DO SOME READING ON YOUR OWN AND QUIT VISITING HATEFUL MUSLIM SITES. These are all the same arguments you hear in christian chat from muslims trying ot disprove the Bible. No one really reads there are answers to these questions. very frustrating.
2007-03-05 22:32:24
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answered by sheepinarowboat 4
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Jesus came for that purpose, the Lamb Who was slain before the foundation of the world. You make it sound like God led Jesus to the cross by His ear. As far as the Trinity, if you read the Bible, and are paying attention it is obvious that there are three persons in the Godhead.First clue that God is plural in personality is in Genesis--"Let Us make man in Our image". as far as the other ?s, thats for God to decide.
2007-03-05 22:35:00
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answered by W J 3
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There are other answers to these questions than the basic Christian ones. Keep studying with an open mind and they will be revealed to you. Perhaps, if I may be so bold, a more tolerant view of other people's faith would be in order. If you have questions, seek the answer for yourself without an argumentative attitude. It isn't necessary to prove anyone wrong. Each person comes to their own beliefs in their own way.
Best wishes
2007-03-05 22:40:08
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answered by Slimsmom 6
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