Evolutionists?

Question

If all you have to support your theory is lies, then isn't it time you got a new theory?

One Lie: The Baby Gill Slits,

Evidence other than Bible: Petrified Trees,

A College professer at Clemson University admitted to me, that most of evolution is based on flat out assumptions, and most of the evidence that they use is false and made up.

How about the ape-men? That was made up.... Geologic Column, Radiocarbon Dating? Evolution of the horse, the giraffe, evolution of ape to man, fossil record, we did not observe the transitional states: so it is an assumption made that it happened no real evidence,

Explain the petrefied trees? How about the fact that you said the cylacanth was one of the first when we found it still alive? Doesn't that mean that it could be found in any layer of the "Geologic Column"?

Dr. Dennis Dinger, go to dingerceramics.com and look him up for yourself, he majored in ceramics but taught as a scientist for Clemson, now teaches at OCA

What is your problem with baby gill slits? If you look at the fetus at the right stage of development, it has gill slits.

Also, how do petrified trees back up creation? You can't just toss it out there and say that it proves creation. Give some sort of explanation.

Gill Slits the guy who made the pictued doctored it up, and that is why you see them in the textbooks as they way they are there.

Petrefied trees, how did they got through all those layers. Some go through a million layers worth of sediement. So explain to me how exactly that works with evolution?

You see i think there was a flood. Possibly a worldwide flood, as mentioned in the Bible. And while your at it, explain the fact that there is a absence of erosion marks, that should be there to fit evoution?

And How exactly did they date that?

What about the Grand Canyon? Let me guess the Colorado River/

Are you aware that the Grand Canyon has a top and bottom? Are you aware that the top is higher thatn the bottom? Are you aware that the insertion point of the river is 4000 feet below the top? That would mean that at one point the river would have to go uphill? is that some evolutionary process that I'm not aware of?

Answer 1

Lies? Like what? Sorry, but evolution has stacks of evidence to support it. Your god superstition has nothing to back it up.

Answer 2

I can see that you were getting hammered on your last question and that you gave up on it.

Show me the proof that the evidence behind evolution is a lie?

Show me how it is not real.

Explain the fossils and the fossil history.

What is the professor's name? Remember, you are dealing with a group that likes facts, evidence, and proof. Not hearsay.

What is your problem with baby gill slits? If you look at the fetus at the right stage of development, it has gill slits.

Also, how do petrified trees back up creation? You can't just toss it out there and say that it proves creation. Give some sort of explanation.


How is petrified wood formed? Here is a cut and paste from wiki. Took me a total of 10 seconds to find it.

Petrified wood is a type of fossil: it consists of fossil wood where all the organic materials have been replaced with minerals (most often a silicate, such as quartz), while retaining the original structure of the wood. The petrifaction process occurs underground, when wood becomes buried under sediment. Mineral-rich water flowing through the sediment deposits minerals in the plant's cells and as the plant's lignin and cellulose decay away, a stone mold forms in its place. The wood is preserved due to a lack of oxygen.

What about the coelacanth? Yes, scientists believed it was extinct for a long time because they could find it in the fossil record but they could not find a living specimen. Also, the coelacanth of today does not match the ones from the fossil record. They show changes. The fish has been evolving since the Cretaceous period. It suffered a near extinction but survived. It never rebuilt to its former levels.

You may want to find another person to quote. I cannot confirm your quote on the web. I did a google search of Dennis Dinger and evolution on the web and came up with 2 hits. They spoke of evolution of planers. Maybe you can come up with someone who actually makes their views known to someone other than you.


Geology does not support a world wide flood. There is no evidence in the layers of ice in glaciers and there is no evidence in varves. Also, a lot of places on the planet do not show evidence of a world wide flood in the rock.

Erosion marks? I am guessing you are talking about non-conformities. If you take a geology class, they discuss these. Also, erosion has nothing to do with evolution. They are not connected. Geology can show places where erosion happened and indicate that the earth is very, very old. Evolution can show life forms and show how one became another over a very long time. However, geology and evolution are separate fields in science.

Yep, the Grand Canyon was formed by a river over millions of years. Some people point to it and say that a great flood carved it out. Also, some people say that fossils were formed by the great flood. However, the grand canyon has fossils in its walls. So how did this flood carve the canyon and also place fossils within its walls? Also, how did this great flood deposit the fossils in graded layers. You find one type of fossil in one layer and another type in another layer, but you never find them both in the same layer. That is pretty consistent in places all around the world and not just the Grand Canyon. I am guessing that you have never taken a geology class in your life.

Ok, read up on the Grand Canyon. I don't want to type the entire thing here. Wiki has a pretty good section about it. Of course, you will have to see plate tectonics and realize that the Colorado river starts at an elevation higher than the tallest walls of the Grand Canyon. I would highly recommend that you take a course in geology if these subjects fascinate you so much. Maybe the teacher in there can show you how these processes work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Canyon

Also, once again, you are talking about geology. Evolution is a different branch in science. By claiming the Grand Canyon could be a product of evolution is showing that you do not understand much about science.

Answer 3

"If all you have to support your theory is lies"

Where's the evidence?

Evolution 1-0 Creation

edit:
The Baby Gill Slits, yep, don't forget the Piltdown Man.
So if those stupid hoaxes disprove evolution, then how about pedophile priests, libido nuns. They must have disproved Christianity forever huh?


further edit: I can't believe you are that deluded. You are even deluded to your own faith. Since faith is personal, you can do whatever you want with it, don't try to be scientific in public


FURTHER FURTHER edit: Petrified wood is a type of fossil: it consists of fossil wood where all the organic materials have been replaced with minerals.

FURTHER FURTHER FURTHER edit: The cylacanth is a prehistoric fish that is reputed as "living fossil". What? What do you mean they caught one recently.... huh, guess you never know do you? LOL!

FURTHER FURTHER FURTHER FURTHER edit: The oldest piece of petrified wood is from the Cretaceous era (about 66 million years ago)

..... edit: You don't realize is that the flood is completely irrelevant to whether evolution is true or not. In other words, a global flood could be completely consistent with evolution; it sure wouldn't disprove anything. What they don't quite seem to get is that scientists disbelieve in a global flood not because it conflicts with evolution, but because it conflicts with all the geological, archaeological, and historical evidence we have that it never happened. We argue against a global flood not because it's anti-evolutionary, but because it's just plain silly. Where did all the water go? How did animals all reproduce after the flood, without starving to death or eating each other? Well, if god could drop manna from heaven, like Red Cross parcels, he could feed the animals too.

-------edit: If the flood waters just evaporated, nothing would be able to live on this planet, because it would bake everything. The animals have specialized diets, need exercise, need to be cleaned up after, and need just regular attention. You can't just leave them in a cage for a year. And you really have to be stupid if you listen to Hovind and think that Noah took babies. That's just inexcusably naive.


++++++edit: I have a print-out of Grand Canyon stratigraphy that I show to all the born-again nitwits I know. The Pre-Cambrian rock is slopped and eroded level, and the Paleozoic layer is flat on top of that. Then I challenge them to tell me how their "flood geology" put down layers like that.

Answer 4

Is there some huge colony of atheists building there doomsday device somewhere? Try proving your own eh... opinion I think you guys have. I don't know what do you call ... An invisible man made everything, then he made a visible man, then he made a visible woman, the end. Sounds pretty credible to me open and shut case! I sure am glad you guys have all this stuff figured out.

By the way how do you feel about cell dichotomy, just let me know something einstein.

Answer 5

There is no such thing as an "evolutionist." That's a word religion made up.

At least science keeps looking for answers, and spends the effort and time to find the truth. Religion stops at "God did it. End of story." Religion is a dead end, fostering ignorance and fear. Science seeks enlightenment, and an end to fear. Religion seeks control and power, science seeks knowledge.

When science comes up with a "new theory," we'll listen and make our decisions. Religion already has all the answers, refuses to learn anything new, and condemns those who break with the faith. Science, at least, teaches tolerance for opposing views.

The USA is the only advanced country on the planet where this debate is even taking place. It's no wonder the rest of the world views us with such contempt.

Answer 6

No, that's "Scientific" Creationism, no evidence and massive lies. You hate the boatloads of evidence we present you with, but you are yet to show that one piece is false. With so many lies, who do you serve?

ADDENDUM:
Since you have actually decided to post something substantial, I can actually prove something. The branchial grooves ("gill slits") and corresponding arches that arise during development actually correlate with the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 6th arches of the jawless fish. (Somewhere along the way, we lost one.) Certain structures (but not all) that arise from the arches and correspond from the jawless fishes through mammals or birds.

Polystrate tree fossils show roots growing mid trunk, showing they survived being partially buried in a massing mudslide. Some fields show ten or more events over hundreds or thousand years.

The Colorado River and it's tributaries. The annual erosion can be measured.

ADDENDUM #2: The headwaters of the Colorado are at an elevation of 9,000 feet, 1,000 feet above the plateau from which the Grand canyon was cut.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River#Elevation_summary

Answer 7

Why in the world do people always have to "PROVE" and "KNOW" things? Some things are mysteries for a reason--so just leave it be. That's why some people can't accept the existence of God - they are ignorant of the fact that God lives inside us and people always depend on themselves for answers. That's why many souls are lost today. God is too powerful beyond reason to be "proved." That's the ''Awe" of God...I'd rather experience miracles unseen than to have somebody ramble a logical explanation for the impossible. No thanks, I'll stick to believing that God is the Creator and get a ticket to Heaven.

Answer 8

You must be talking about the crackpots who use the term evolutionists, don't believe in science, and think the world is 6000 years old.

Real scientists know evolution is real. Only Bible-thumping idiots with no evidence even doubt it.

Read something scientific that your minister doesn't recommend for a change. Something that is peer-reviewed (if you don't know what that means, then you are probably reading the wrong things).

Answer 9

A theory is nothing but speculation. That's one definition of the word theory. People who believe in the Bible and apply what it says live a happier meaningful life. You can really see the difference between those that believe in God and those that do not. The Bible teaches us to Love Jehovah God with our whole heart, mind, soul, and strength. And to love our neighbor as our self. We don't use drugs, have sex outside of marriage, and abuse our bodies. I could go on and on. If you don't believe in GOD you are not hurting anyone but yourself. You reap what you sow.

Answer 10

Yes if you have no real evidence to support your theory then it is time to get a new theory. That's why I believe in the repeatedly observed supported by mounds of evidence science of evolution as oppose to the "you just simply have to believe what we tell you as none of it is true" Bronze Age work of contradictory inaccurate fiction known as religion. Say no to jesus

Answer 11

And just why would a scientist be interested in telling lies, after years of study to qualify him/her for investigating the natural world and discovering the truth? What's in it for any scientist who knowingly propagates false information???
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