people who deny evolution? cheap shots?

Question

is it a bit TOO easy to argue with these people? do you think they are akin to holocaust deniers? should we allow this to be taught in our schools, or are WE the ones indoctrinated and told lies if we are educated in evolution?

I said it in the form of a question, not a statement 'my dear'

thankyou yishor, you seem less nutty than most.

Answer 1

VERY akin to holocaust deniers. They deny any information that disagrees with their position, don't have the education to look at the arguments on merit, so are forced to accept the pseudo-science they get off the net or from church.

Being I usually have the education to assess these arguments and evidence, I've talked to dozens of people at work, etc, who will finally retreat to the position that either a) that's only my opinion [like science is opinion] b) That all scientists are in colusion to support this because the science big shots want it, or c) Satan is controlling our thoughts.

The lack of rationality is breathtaking.

Answer 2

A while back, several theists on here claimed a bee was not an animal.

I then understood why they don't get evolution... if they can't get something as simple as taxonomy, it's no wonder.

I wouldn't say they are like Holocaust deniers, because denying the death of millions of people is far more personally hurtful than the denial of evolution. One has emotional consequences, and the other has political and scientific consequences.

They just need to click the little "x" in the top right corner of that Window that's open to Answers in Genesis and read a site or book that has no agenda but to present and explain the evidence within the context of the scientific method.

Answer 3

To believe that the current theory of evolution is complete fact is as bad as dismissing the whole theory based on religious beliefs. The theory of evolution is just that, a theory. And as such, is just the best explanation that science has been able to come up with so far with the information that has been collected. So when debating with those who have a closed mind about evolution, do not also have a closed mind about the possibility that a higher power may have created life. Who knows, both theories may be right or both may be wrong. Great learning and understanding only comes when you have a mind that is open to many possibilities and great scientific discoveries are only found with a bit of healthy cynicism about current theories. Where would we be today if Rutherford and Bohr just accepted Thompson's model of the atom and didn't search for other explanations.

Answer 4

Go get yourself a copy of A Case for Creator book or DVD. Or, if you are worried about the Christian twist on things, read Darwin's Black Box, it's not a Christian book.

The bottom line is that evolution is a theory. It made sense a century ago, but now there's just too much scientific evidence against it. It failed Darwin's own way to test it as described in his book. The only issue of course is that despite all this evidence, the only other explanation people see is creation. And people don't want to "drag religion" into science, even when science shows that creation is way more plausible than evolution at this point.

No one (except for God, if you believe that) was there to see life come into place, to see the species become what they are, so both creation and evolution are theories, if you look at them from scientific standpoint. There has been no evolution observed in modern life, there've been some mutations, but they are not species-changing. There's also a simple logical argument that something cannot come out of nothing. It's like playing scrabble with no vowels. By combining a bunch of other letters you're still never going to get a vowel. Same thing with evolution. You can't take a single cell organism and tell it to grow legs. If it wasn't in the original DNA mix, then where would it come from?

But you really need to do some of your own research. Examine evidence for both, keep an open mind, and you'll find the truth soon enough. You just have to be willing to accept it, even if it's not what you expected.

I wish you the best on that journey. Take care.

Answer 5

Thy are just misinformed by people who don't want them to understand evolution so they give them a very basic description bu no explanation and send them out in the world thinking they are experts. Oddly enough they attack so many established scientific facts and don't even dent evolution but None of them has ever posed evolution one of it's toughest challenges. How can something as waste full with no gains as religion exist. Evolution can explain it but it takes a while and incorporates many things like childhood faith and natural human curiosity which provide advantages but in lack of evidence can get confused and produce religion. Evolution's toughest challenge is the theist and it can explain it easily, just shows ow strong it is. Say no to jesus.

Answer 6

People who deny evolution because of religion or ignorance can safely be ignored -- they bring nothing of any interest to the issue.

The only thing that can challenge the mountains of evidence showing evolution to be a correct description of how life on earth arose and diversified...is new scientific evidence showing it to be incorrect. "I don't believe it" is not a challenge, it's ignorance. And not worthy of consideration, and *certainly* not to be taught in schools.

That over 150 years have elapsed since Darwin outlined how evolution by natural selection works, and in all that time not one single piece of scientific evidence has shown it to be incorrect (though many people have tried) gives us the utmost confidence in the correctness of evolution. If there is to be any challenge to that mountain of evidence, it'd have to be a scientific challenge, and rigorously proven. There has to date been no such challenge put to it.

That we teach our children those FACTS -- that all of the scientific evidence for over 150 years shows evolution to be correct -- we're not indoctrinating them, we're teaching them FACT.
There is no fact in the religious challenge -- there's no evidence for "creationism," there's no evidence for any "designer" (intelligent or otherwise) -- if they want their ideas taught in science class, they need to provide EVIDENCE, not superstition.

Peace.

Answer 7

holocaust denial might be a comparison that leads to unneccessary emotions getting involved. that being said, i agree. They cherry pick things that don't quite make total sense yet and turn that into the whole argument being a lie, in order to justify the belief they held since they were 5. it's just not ok to do. God gave you the gifts of reason and independant thought, use them!

Answer 8

They are exactly like holocaust deniers.

They both try to find the slightest flaw in a mountain of evidence to support what they already want to believe.

I am a Theist, but I will be damned if I allow Theology to be taught in a Science class over actual science

Answer 9

You're absolutely correct. There are literally more historians denying the holocaust than biologists denying evolution.

Answer 10

I often find it hard to debate with them because they use rhetoric and obfuscation while I'm trying to debate scientific facts and evidence with them. I can point out the wealth of solid indisputable evidence that supports evolution and they just glibly dismiss it so I'm left scratching my head.