Atheists? Why be bitter, why not admit you can't disprove God?

Question

At least an agnostic comes to the realization that they can't disprove the existence of an intellegent supreme being. It's sounds like a pretty arrogant way of thinking...

Just what I expected, arrogant answers... can't disprove dopplegangers or floating teacups? Far less evidence than the existence of a supreme being, c'mon meet me half way, are you really trying to say the world and it's people are all some cosmic accident?

A. Mercer... arrogance, arrogance, arrogance! Don't need the Bible to prove, sounds like a cop out to me. Again... the world, it's ecosystem, it's inhabitants... just an accident? Just keep ducking the question... that's a poor debate tactic.

Trust me I'm not our to convert anyone with the question, I realize further it's been asked before. Remember, Edison attempted to disprove everything in a science book, to claim there is lack of evidence of God is obtuse and naive. Evidence of a supreme intellegence is all around you and you don't have to go to a Bible to find it. If not God, then what?!?!

Criticizing the "wording" of a question and attempting to belittle the asker, is not an answer. You can do better than that. Some of you with honest answers, I appreciate it.

Answer 1

I'm a Christian...

I believe that "bettierag..." came closest to being honest about her views. She simply says that she doesn't believe. I think that it's simply a choice that atheists have made to NOT believe.

Furthermore, I believe that it may have been a certain encounter that they had that tested their faith which led to their disbelief. they may have chose NOT to look deep into the word, thus limiting (and eventually erasing) their faith.

All in all, they chose to limit their view and many chose to harden their hearts to the point that they attack the bible. The truth of the matter is that man is undeserving of being allowed to know the knowledge of God. It's only through your belief (via Choice) that he grants you pieces of his wisdom. You must stop fighting it and working with it...

FYI... Lucifer had close access to God once, but he took all of that knowledge and tried to combat the creator. God won't make that mistake again. Now, I wonder how many individuals there are walking the earth with that mentality. 1 thing you must realize is that even Satan believes in God.

Answer 2

And you can't prove god.

Actually the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. You claim god exists. Where is your proof? Let me guess, you are running to your bible. That is not proof. It is a written work that was done by very early man. Nothing in it regarding god is verifiable and can easily be just made up stories. So, the bible is not proof of god.

Also, did you know that it is impossible to prove the non-existance of something. Demanding the proof of non-existance is a pretty cowardly debating manuever.

If the bible is so true, then where are the unicorns and dragons? The bible talks of them. They must be real, right. Cuz everything in the bible is 100% true. They are mentioned in the bible. So where are the unicorns and dragons?

If your bible is proof, then so is the quaran and so is the text of just about every other religion. However, these would indicate many different gods with many different religions. Just because you have a book that is thousands of years old that does not make it proof. In fact, its age proves that it was written by people who did not understand nature or science. They made up a god to cover the questions that they could not answer. That evolved into a religion. The bible is not proof.

Lets put it this way. Lets say a guy walks up to you on the street and says that he is the second coming of Jesus. He has a bunch of biographers following him. They tell you of all of his deeds and miracles. However, the guy refuses to show you anything. He is just some guy on the street. He tells you lots of stories and his biographers all back them up, however, no proof is given at any point. Would you believe the guy is Jesus without any proof? I bet you would not. If you would not, then why do you expect people to believe in your religion if it provides as much proof as this guy on the street and his gang of biographers?

Answer 3

It seems, if He were true, to have a violent streak. Also, believers of the Bible sometimes think of a loving god and others believe He is a corporal one. Even foot ball teams look to God to be on their side. Why would ones side and the other side believes in the same. Even in Christian religions do that. The whole thing is unfounded.

Do you really believe that we were created by God. I find that is pretty arrogant and putting people living on a piece of dust in a galaxy of billions on a non-existent pedestal and only been around for a nano-second at most in time. Why would any god create a vast Universe and attend to a mere speck of insecure life.

And then there is the unfathomable belief that God has existed forever. I say if He has been here forever he cannot exist.

If God is a benevolent god then he has a lot of cleaning up here to do - we are continually at war - some people are incredibly rich while millions of others quite often have to go with out food and have no clean water to drink - millions die in agony.

Also, I have been treated quite rudely by a few Christians in answers.

Answer 4

To able to prove the proposition that the existence of God is false, would require absolute knowledge, and is therefore at best self-defeating.

It would make more sense to say that "based on the available evidence I believe/do not believe"... or based on some other tangible fact, such as the behaviour of Christians...

Omnipotence and Omniscience are not mutually exclusive logically. Using circular, closed self-referential logic neither proves nor disproves the existence of God.

What the Bible claims is that God has certain characteristics (holy, just, merciful, eternal just to name a few), and that he CANNOT violate his character, so when using the "omnipotent" straw man argument, please keep this in mind...

True athiesm takes faith that material causes and effects are sufficient to explain the universe. Theism of any sort rejects that position. What is clear, is that one side is wrong :) and that there are a lot of bad logical arguments, mud slinging, straw man scenarios... that don't help the discussion...

Christians should at least in THEORY try harder :)

Take care

Answer 5

Well, I'm happy enough with the cosmic accident thing actually.

But, trying no to be arrogant, I don't feel bitter. Proof or disproof don't actually matter to me much to be honest, since neither is available. It's just my opinion that there is no 'personal' God. No supreme intelligent creator being.

I'm not swayed that the patterns in the universe require a 'designer', nor that because the world is an amazing place (which it is) it couldn't have arisen like that without a 'creator'.

I guess I just don't see what you presumably take as evidence in the same way.

So I call myself 'atheist' because I don't believe in what most people think of as 'God'. That doesn't mean I'm not a spiritual person, nor that I'm closed minded. Perhaps I'm more an agnostic? The label doesn't appear to matter as much to me as it does to you.

Thank you for your question.
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Answer 6

Actually, I can. I've posted it often enough. A necessary consequence of the existence of a deity is missing in this universe.

The lack of a necessary consequence is sufficient disproof.

Deal with it.

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Yes, the universe is nothing more than a combination of random and stochaistic occurances, or as you put it, 'an accident'. Your problem with this is what exactly?

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"If not God then what?"

Quantum physics.


Further, all good scientists occasionally revisit well established concepts and attempt to disprove them with more up-to-date understanding. This is part of the progress of science. Edison was not unique in that.

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You say there is evidence of a supreme creator all around. Okay, show me some. If any of it is, "Look at ______, do you see how complex that is?! Do you really believe that came about by accident?" then you will admit you have no evidence, only logical fallicies (in this case, argument from incredulity -- I can't believe this happened on its own so it must be a deity).

Answer 7

Scott, nobody can prove or disprove the existance of a deity. Over the course of history there have been more than 2,500 deities across the cultures. All believers are sure that their belief is the true one. The manner in which you posit your question indicates that you are not cognizant of the basics of logic nor have you ever sat down with atheist face to face and had a discussion. Not everybody is going to view the world as you do. To issue prejoritives, invectives and presumptions about people who do not hold your beliefs is pretty immature.

Answer 8

Accident? Who said accident?

"an undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss; casualty; mishap"

There was no intent in the creation of our universe; it just happened. Intent is concept created by human intelligence, which did not exist until billions of years afte the universe (as we know it) came to be.

As for evidence of a supreme intelligence, I don't see it. You would have to tell me what the purpose would have been for creating our universe , and then judge how well it has met that purpose in order to judge the intelligence of the design. I have yet to hear any remotely rational expanation for what purpse God wuold have for "Creation," other than to make cheerleaders for Himself, which makes no sense at all, and certainly has failed if that was the intent.

I would never say (and neither would anyone I know) that there is no higher intelligence in the universe. Who knows? But a higher intelligence does not equate to God or a Creator.

There are several very valid responses here, which you choose to ignore. Now THAT'S arrogant.

Answer 9

I 'admit' that without hesitation. You can't prove something doesn't exist. Now admit you can't prove there is a god or gods.

You're misunderstanding atheism. Atheists don't say there's proof there's not a god. We do say there is no evidence (let alone proof) that there is a god or gods.

If an atheist is arrogant for claiming there are no gods when this cannot be proved, then a Christian (and members of other religions) must be far more arrogant for claiming there are when there is no supporting evidence.

Answer 10

Well, I call myself an atheist because I can disprove the exisitance of your GOD. Your GOD is called all-good, knowing, and powerful, which is a contradiction to human logic being that the world exists as it does. Also, the bible is full of holes.

Now on the question of whether or not some sort of supernatual being exist... I don't know and probably can't understand it ever. No one can. But making up some comprehensible God with human traits and relations is just stupid. That is why I call myself an agnostic-atheist.