what do you christians out there think of this?

Question

why did god make us when he new we would sin, suffer and die? the only way i can get my head around this is to think we need to suffer the consequences of sin, to learn from its fruit (tree of knowledge) .and be disgusted with it. to learn to hate it so we become loyal subjects to god. so we would become angels that unlike the original whom caused a war in heaven, when one third rebelled....we would be better subjects . tested down here on earth in a atmosphere where our own brain matter is hot wired to fiercely desire pleasures and to experience torturous pain and failures. and be eye witness to some unspeakable evils. this whole thing is set up as a test. that way heaven never has to endure evil rebellion, because its new subjects have been tested. it says we will even judge the angels, so is this because basically we will know better. the bible says that even angels are watching and learning.
what do you think of my observation. what biblical truths support or not this theory.

Answer 1

I believe that God wanted people who would worship him willingly, despite the fact that there's an alternative.

Answer 2

I know life can be really hard, and often I try to realize that most people even suffer more on earth than I do, if I belong to the richest 4% of people in the world.

But let's not focus too much on the problems in this world, let's focus on God. He wants us to be thankful and to praise Him. When doing this, I receive a joy that overcomes the worst kind of suffering, it's a heavenly joy.

Remember: God is good and a lot of evil is caused by humans!!!

Answer 3

great question! God does not allow sin in heaven. Sin is to choose evil. Evil is not present in heaven because evil comes from Satan. Satan was cast down to earth to tempt man. Now we had the choice to show Heavenly father that we wanted to serve him only but the test was a great one and would show our true desire. Here on earth we don't have a memory of Heaven. Because God has caused us to forget heaven, the choices we make here on earth are all our own. Each choice we make we can call purely our own. If God were to reveal himself to us then we would no longer be able to have faith because we would KNOW for a fact that we was. This way we make a choise in our heart and not our mind to serve him. We seek the Holy Ghost for guidence and not logic. Unless your a christian it's hard to explain. For a better understaning try www.mormon.org

Answer 4

That is actually correct thinking. The closest thing to the truth of the Word. You should feel proud that God has opened your heart and mind to the Way, the Truth, and the Light. We are given a choice to chose to be good or chose to be bad based on what is in our hearts. That way, only the born again in His name will join the Holy Father....

Answer 5

Your observations are interesting.Please read the gospels and study the life of Jesus.He came to earth to show us how to live.He was tempted in all ways as we are yet He did not sin.We all fell short of Gods expectations.So because God loves us,He sent His only son to save us.If we stay close to God,life on this earth is bearable.And I agree that we are put on earth to be tested.

Answer 6

You obviously have a lot of knowledge on some basic facts, eg a third of the angels sinned, some humans will end up judging angels etc.

Firstly, God didn't know that Adam, Eve or even Satan would sin, because that would imply that God made them bad. They all had free will though, and that's how they were able to go in that direction of doing things. Satan wanted to choose for himself what what good and bad, to have his own rules to follow, and he managed to get Adam and Eve to believe that they would be better of that way as well.

God could have killed Satan, Adam, Eve and the other rebels straight away, but then others might have wondered if they had been right. So instead God let the issue play out, and show that he is right to choose good and bad for us.

Now by looking at the world today, and all of mandkinds past, we can see that we need God's direction on what is good and bad for us (Jeramiah 10:23). Soon he will put an end to this wicked way of running things, and get back to the original plan of having humans live on a paradise earth forever (Isaiah 55:11, Psalm 37:29, 2 Peter 3:3-10).

But it's up to us if we want to be a part of it. We need accurate knowledge, and an option for you is to have a free Bible study with the Jehovah's Witnesses. I promice you, you won't regret it and will learn such a lot (John 17:3).

Jeramiah 10:23
I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.

Isaiah 55:11
so my word that goes forth from my mouth will prove to be. It will not return to me without results, but it will certainly do that in which I have delighted, and it will have certain success in that for which I have sent it.

Psalm 37:29
The righteous themselves will possess the earth,
And they will reside forever upon it

2 Peter 3:3-10
For YOU know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep [in death], all things are continuing exactly as from creation’s beginning.”
For, according to their wish, this fact escapes their notice, that there were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God; 6 and by those [means] the world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men. However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance. Yet Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered. Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought YOU to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which [the] heavens being on fire will be dissolved and [the] elements being intensely hot will melt! But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.

John 17:3
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ

Answer 7

Maybe everyone here should think about what they're saying before they say it.

Who are we to figure out what God wanted?

Maybe He created us as mistakes and yet loved the heck out of us and decided to let us roam.

Maybe She just felt like doing something.

Maybe you shouldn't think to hard about this because God and Lucifer supposedly have conversations all the time and maybe this is just a game to pass the time. I mean what do you really have to do for ETERNITY?!?

Live, try to do unto others as they do unto you (take this literally), try NOT to sin, but if you do apologize and move on, and try to make someone else's life better as you improve on yours.

Answer 8

God gave us free will so He could have a real relationship with us. That does mean that ppl can choose to reject Him, but apparently God decided that having a relationship with us was worth it even though ppl reject Him and go to hell for their sins.

Answer 9

Which would you rather have a robot child that did and said what you programmed it to say or a real live child that made mistakes (and did good things) and really loved you back?

Answer 10

Do you want to be part of a collective, where is the freewill in that?