I've noticed many people seem to think their strongest argument against suicide is?

Question

religious
What would you say if you couldn't use the 'God has a plan for you, it's a sin' argument?

Convince someone to live, who has no sentiment toward religion and whose social life is completely empty? You can't use the 'people will miss' you thing...because 1) no one would and 2) I don't think I care anymore anyway.

It's hard to want to sit around and wait for things to 'get better' when you know you brought all of it about yourself. And it's almost impossible to give a **** if you're being selfish when that's all you seen out of other people.

Hah, I wasn't trying to be obnoxious with this question, but I really wanted to know.

I'm employing that whole 'wait a while' thing right now. I don't have plans to commit suicide, I have overwhelmingly strong desires, but no plans as of now.

And the person I hurt the most is dead now, so it's rather difficult to feel like I've made amends.

And I don't see that other people are winning, I see that I'm probably defeating myself.

So...see. The question above was a good example of the worst side of me, the one that finds a reason to refute everything. I need help with her, as you can tell she's a *****.

Hellion, somehow I liked what you said. I've tried to think that way before, but I really just want to destroy myself most of the time. It's not really about other people.

Answer 1

if for no other reason, i wouldnt commit suicide because it's admitting that someone else beat me.

i'm just way to stubborn to say "the world threw more at me than i can take".

no way in hell. life might not have gone the way i wanted, but i'd rather take all the anger and pain and hurt that i've felt and just use it as fuel to say "F*ck You!! you cant get rid of me, i'll keep rising up no matter how many times you knock me down. i will be the bane of your existance before i give up. i will take everything thats come my way and i'll put it back on you tenfold. i refuse to let you win."

nothing to do withn god, or who'll miss you or not, but i'd rather be that piece of gum on someone's shoe that they just cant get rid of before i'd choose just not being there at all.

when you're at your absolute worst, and things seem like they cant get any lower, they can only go in one direction, UP. and lets knock down a few people on the way!

granted, thats a pretty negative way to look at things, but i'd rather be negative and still kicking than not here at all. theres plenty of time to be positive after you've worked you way back up and made everyone see that they cant beat you. for now, its just time to make a battle plan.

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even if it's YOU that you're fighting against, i'd still keep on fighting. saying "how much can i control myself despite my impulses? i WILL NOT GIVE IN."

and if the most important person to you is gone, you have to ask "what can i do to honor that person?".

when someone is gone and you still feel the need for them in your life, i think the best thing to do is take all the best things they taught you and make them part of your core. my grandfather was very close to me, and we had a much healthier relationship than my father and i did. when he died i was crushed. it was just so incredibly painful and it still brings me to tears thinking of it. but i thought about how much i learned from him, and made it a point in my life to take the things he said that were important to me and pass them on to others that needed them. i CAN NOT let his words die. i need to keep them alive and teach them to other people. you can do the same for the person you've lost. you can keep them alive that way, and draw strength from it.

Answer 2

First, let me challenge you on the "people will miss you" thing. Just because you don't think anyone would care doesn't mean that anyone would.

So you screwed up and life currently sucks. Everyone who ever survived a suicide attempt says the same thing. They are glad they lived because, yes, life did get better.

You have to realize that you are SICK. Just like a person who is blind, you aren't seeing things properly and in their right perspective. So you shouldn't be able to make decision that affect your life at this point.

My best argument. Wait 6 months. Take things one day at a time and wait. Work on correcting the things you did.

My bet is you've hurt others. So why not make amends to them. Don't you owe it to the people you've hurt?

You live in a society that has provided you with everything around you. So who are you to complain? People in developing nations suffer. Women are beaten by their husbands. They DON'T KNOW that they're miserable.

You need a kick in the hindquarters, not a pity party. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and go out and help someone worse off than you. You OWE it to the world to give back. It's the cost for all the air and resources you've used so far and thinking you've wasted them all.

Answer 3

To me, rock bottom would be homeless.

I just want to experience life even if it's bad. Even if I hit that level, I hope that I can still experience it. And, yet, I'm not really against suicide either. My opinion is that it is a choice-- and it's a very definitive and a solid rejection of circumstances.... so I can see the appeal of suicide.

But there is the lesson of time... and absorbing pain... I guess, too, I don't see the day-by-day and year-by-year depression as being that bad of an experience. An intense experience, a transforming experience, a sad experience, but not really bad.

Basically, I don't think sad experiences are bad.

When I was extremely depressed, I would just say that old saying from Reservoir Dogs, "You've been brave enough for one day."

Nothing really has to be accomplished. I don't feel that pressure that a life of depression is a failure so much. And it teaches you different things........ from... a normal type of life. Different perspective. It's a letting go of things...... it used to bother me, but now it really doesn't.

That you can just absorb a great deal of pain... and feel it and observe it... and experience another day of it. Strange, I guess. But I see a certain strength in the numbing quality of depression.

Of course, I am on medication and I do recommend medication... but in those moments where suicide is strong....... just I value absorbing the pain as a life experience. And the quietness of it.

You don't have to do anything to absorb the pain... you don't have to move. You just simply do it. It's quite remarkable really.

That probably doesn't convince anyone not to commit suicide... but it's what I've often thought.

Answer 4

But I really do care dont let them win you give up and thats all youve done! You die and your only giving up i used to want to die but now im on top of the world!

Answer 5

nothing worth living for is the same as nothing worth dying for/over. Life is what you make it. so make a decision to make it something else.