Where did the matter dispersed by Big Bang come from?

Question

I'm talking to the rhetoric fountains. You smarty atheists, you know who you are, so don't be offended, I'm not grouping you all.
It's been proven that you cannot get something from absolutely nothing. So where did all of the matter dispersed by the big bang come from? This all appeared magically? Wow, that sounds alot stupider than attributing it to a creator. Any atheists wanna answer? No, of course you don't. Your Bible basher books don't deal with facts, just the logic of hate for others. Without them, you people wouldn't have a thought in your heads.

Then where did matter originate? Any answers? Where did matter originate?

Answer 1

I love it, God came from nothing and the Big band came from nothing. Faith comes from nothing to, no evidence, just believe.

Answer 2

Well, this question isn't too difficult to tackle actually.

E=MC^2, where energy, as we can see, is equal to mass. They're different manifestations of the same thing as far as we are concerned.

Now lets look at the first law of thermodynamics; energy is always conserved, and cannot be created or destroyed.


Essentially, you're not going to be able to get rid of energy. The big bang was not an explosion of matter, but was an EXPANSION of ENERGY. The big bang didn't disperse any matter initially, so please, get your facts straight. Matter came later, in particular it began to form during the inflation as far as we can tell from the WMAP results. As for the origin or energy, I would say the energy that underwent expansion was either 1. always there as thermodynamics suggests, or 2. came from something else that is beyond my understanding right now.

So there you have it. The answer is matter didn't 'originate' and you are making a fatal assumption. Matter comes from energy, which probably didn't come from anything, as it cannot be created or destroyed.


Also..you ask, ''this all appeared magically!?'', and then proceed to make insults, YET, at the same time you believe in a supernatural God. Where did this God come from? I hope you have something more clever to say than he 'just appeared magically! ;) '.

Sure, you could argue your God was always there, but I can also argue Energy has always been here, AND I can provide physical evidence and universal laws to support my preposition.

Also, Argon brings up good points about the Higgs field I didn't bother bringing up.

Answer 3

Most of the matter and energy we see today resulting from the "condensing" of what is called the "Higgs field" after the inflationary period.

The Higgs field is a wonderful thing that gives matter its mass and under certain conditions (such as those theorized to have existed during the early stages of the Big Bang) can cause the universe to expand by VAST ammounts.

It's estimated that during the inflationary period a region the size of a strand of DNA would have expanded to an area the size of our galaxy in a fraction of a second!

When a particular value of this field fell to a lower energy state, most of the matter we see today "condensed" out of the energy embodied by the field, much like water condenses out of the air unto a cool glass.

Your suggestion that "It's been proven that you cannot get something from absolutely nothing" is actually bunk. Modern science is showing us time and time again that something can indeed come from "nothing". Read up on Black Body radiation, Hawking radiation, and Vacuum Energy, just for starters.

Good luck, and I wish you the best on your new-found quest for knowledge and understanding!

To Dan C: Under string-theory, quarks would -be- strings! And almost all theorized strings would be vastly smaller than quarks. Quarks are very well understood and we can measure and predict thier behaviors to very, very accurate levels, where as string theory is relatively new as a concept, it's totally untested and we're not even sure what it means, or even what it is!

Suffice to say, the existance and understanding of quarks is very well assured, whereas string theory is still up in the air, altough interestingly, it might offer some very cool explanations that pertain to this question...

Answer 4

We don't yet know. But it makes no more sense to say "from God", because we then we must ask "Where did God come from?" Why do you think there must be a cause for matter, but there need not be a cause for "god"? It seems to me that you are simply defining "god" as the thing that does not require explanation. I think that is a huge cop-out.

Now, I said we don't know where the matter came from. But there are some very interesting potential theories in cosmology that provide potential answers.

One such theory such that the very fabric of our universe space-time is a 4D manifold in a higher dimensional space, and that ours may be one of many such universe/manifolds. It is possible that even if our universe was totally devoid of matter, if our manifold collided with the manifold of another universe space-time, then a tremendous amount of energy would have been released into both universes. This energy might be released in the form of matter in our universe and anti-matter in the other universe. This could happen such that the conservation of matter & energy across the two universes was conserved.

This theory is quite probably wrong. But it is being seriously explored by a large number of theoretical Physicists because it is plausible.

Now, you've never heard of this before, and you're probably dismissing it out of hand now, because it sounds crazy. But your belief in the God of the Bible is even less plausible than this crazy theory. And your belief prevents you from considering new theories that may be more plausible than the one I describe. It stops you in your tracks at "God did it", and prevents you from considering other answers. You are trapped at the level of understanding of the ancient Hebrews, and somehow you think that makes you superior to those of us willing to say we don't yet know.

Answer 5

In short, nobody knows for sure where it came from. There are speculations that it was nothing but a quantum fluction or ripple in the vacuum. But to say the truth, our mathematical tools and physical evidence are not strong enough to answer the question.

On the other hand, religion would answer that everything was created by God out of nothing. But science can not either prove or disprove it.

Discussion:
The Big bang Hypothesis:
The Big Bang is a hypothesis based on the fact that the universe is expanding. The conjecture is that at the beginning of time, all the matter and energy of then universe was packed into a tiny space, in fact into a singularity with INFINITE density.

Now, just after Big Bang, the space-time that we live in just appeared (like a magic), but of course, due to extreme density of mass-energy , it was highly curved (according to the Einstein's general theory of gravitation). then it started expansion era, of different kind, like inflation, normal expansion, etc. and all the matter/energy particles moved away from each other. This is still happening but at a much slower rate.

Expansion after Big Bang:
Hubble discovered that each and every galaxy is moving away from each other in every direction. It is like a number of dots on a balloon, which when inflated move away from each other. It is expansion of each dot from the other in all direction on the surface of the balloon.

Cyclic Model:
There are new theories which propose that the current era of the universe we are living in after the Big Bang is only one of the many possible eras after other possible Big Bangs. The universe undergoes Big Bangs and expansion eras and later on contract to a big crunch resulting in another big bang. This is called the cyclic model, originally proposed by Richard C. Tolman, but was not accepted due to some theoretical difficulties. Newest theories of the cyclic models are based on brane-world scenario and uses string theoretical ideas. So far these theories have not been substantiated or refuted.

Paul Steinhardt (Princeton) and Neil Turok (Cambridge) have recently proposed a model for the cyclic universe, in which space and time exist forever. The big bang is not the beginning of time. Rather, it is a bridge to a pre-existing contracting era. The Universe undergoes an endless sequence of cycles in which it contracts in a big crunch and re-emerges in an expanding big bang, with trillions of years of evolution in between. The temperature and density of the universe do not become infinite at any point in the cycle; indeed, they never exceed a finite bound (about a trillion - trillion degrees).

There is no inflationary era in the new cyclic model after the most recent big bang. The current homogeneity and flatness were created by events that occurred before the most recent big bang. The seeds for galaxy formation were created by instabilities arising as the Universe was collapsing towards a big crunch, prior to our big bang.The transition from big bang to big crunch is explained by recent developments in superstring theory that suggest that the cosmic singularity is otherwise.

Cheers.

Answer 6

So nothing comes from nothing? where did God come from? maybe the same place all that matter did... besides remember back in 6th grade when you learned that matter cannot be CREATED or destroyed? It was always just there, just like god... I'm not an atheist but think about what you are asking before you ask it... the answer my be right in front of you...

I tried to keep things simple and easy with petty arguments, and it has been a few years since my Quantum Mechanics class where we discussed electrons that bounce in and out of existance and string theory, so i'll just leave that part out...

Answer 7

hmmmm...and some sky fairy "poofed" everything into existence. Even created a man from dirt and then a woman by taking a rib from the man. That DOES make so much more sense. But since I'm a "smarty atheist" I just can't buy it. Big Bang might seem far fetched but it makes a helluva lot more sense than a "god" creating everything. Think outside the box and you will see just how ridiculous all that sounds.

Answer 8

Matter and energy are interchangeable. So, one could accept that energy condensed into matter.

There are alternative theories to the Big Bang. It may not have ever happened.

But none of this matters, because the energy behind your question is to make you feel you are better than believers and non-believers.

Faith only lives where there is doubt. Keep the Faith!

Answer 9

The fact is you have defeated your own argument by asking this question.

It is not possible to say something came from nothing and at the same time believe that god was already pre-existing.

If it has been proven you cannot get something from absolutely nothing, then where was god hiding all of the matter that was used to create everything? Get a life.

Answer 10

Nobody has ever said that the Big Bang came from "nothing". Go ask this question in Astronomy and Space, see how many thoughts they have in THEIR heads. Cosmology is not my area, but even I know that the Second Law of Thermodynamics does not apply to what you're talking about.

Answer 11

Strings that have always existed, or quarks, or however small you want to go. Something has always been here in some form or another. String theory seems likely, not sure where they are on quarks though. Why is this place always a science vs. religion thing? :(

And there wasn't nothing before the big bang, refer to other answers for more info on that.